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Post by jakesrocks on Jul 23, 2012 21:21:44 GMT -5
Nope. But I've got a couple of rivet bucks out in the shed.
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Post by itsandbits on Jul 23, 2012 21:26:15 GMT -5
thanks for the new pic. helped but not too
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itsandbits
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Post by itsandbits on Jul 23, 2012 21:28:35 GMT -5
are they always used in pairs
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Post by jakesrocks on Jul 23, 2012 21:32:37 GMT -5
If you look at the grooved ends, they're 2 different sizes, but both do the same job. I have 1 smaller, and 1 larger too.
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Post by helens on Jul 23, 2012 21:35:31 GMT -5
A vintage sheet metal bending stake/forming stake, maybe plexto, but also known as a Blacksmith (or Tinsmith's) hardy anvil post tool or swage block holder (LOL! Covering all bases:P). I would guess the W to stand for Whitney?
And if you say that's not it, I can post you 4 different pix of it from different sites:P
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Post by jakesrocks on Jul 23, 2012 21:40:28 GMT -5
Nope. These were made long before Whitney came into existence.
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Post by helens on Jul 23, 2012 21:49:49 GMT -5
Oops, forgot to mention that it can also be called an Anvil swage, an anvil block, or a swage block with a hardy (the part that gets anchored in the hardy hole in an old blacksmith anvil). The 'swage' part is the head, which can come in many different shapes for different purposes. The reason for all the various names is because the concept/tool actually goes back to 1200 BC and the Bronze Age (more than 3200 years), and metal workers apparently keep reinventing it.
And depending on how you define ID'ing it... the first person here who mentioned the blacksmith tool was Diane (Frog)
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Post by helens on Jul 23, 2012 21:51:33 GMT -5
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Post by jakesrocks on Jul 23, 2012 22:08:15 GMT -5
Only one of those in the ebay link is meant to be used in an anvil or Hardy hole. The other is what I have, and it's a hand held tool.
Those in the worthpoint link are much larger tools which fit into a large cast iron stake plate which is usually mounted into a heavy metal frame. Metal was formed over the various shaped stakes with a heavy wooden mallet. Don't dare be caught beating up those expensive stakes with a metal hammer. Complete sets of the stakes along with the stake plate can still be bought new, but I doubt that you'll find the things I pictured new. Their type of work is all done by machine now.
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carleton
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Post by carleton on Jul 23, 2012 22:10:50 GMT -5
lol, oops! been using those to hammer out metal for years....  I will admit that the hex post kinda tipped me off that they were not meant for an anvil hardy ;D Carleton |
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Post by jakesrocks on Jul 23, 2012 22:14:24 GMT -5
Not with metal hammers I hope. If an old timer metal smith saw you, you might end up wearing the blowhorn stake where the sun don't shine.
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Post by jakesrocks on Jul 23, 2012 22:17:12 GMT -5
Quote > And depending on how you define ID'ing it... the first person here who mentioned the blacksmith tool was Diane (Frog)
Helen, my tools aren't blacksmith tools. They're metal smith tools.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Jul 23, 2012 22:21:34 GMT -5
Could it be used for forging bars for making horse shoes? Jean
Edit - Oops, missed that last entry from Don. Hmmmm, I'm still thinking....
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Post by helens on Jul 23, 2012 22:28:01 GMT -5
Don, the USE for that hand tool is to make a lock seam in metal, or a J shaped 'hook' on 2 sides of 2 sheets of metal (sometimes folded over again), and use that tool with a hammer to lock it down. More terms for it, lock tool, dolly tool, seam crimper. Apparently, there's dozens of names for that same tool, and there's no guessing what your name for it might be:P.
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Post by helens on Jul 23, 2012 22:29:31 GMT -5
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Post by jakesrocks on Jul 23, 2012 22:31:04 GMT -5
Nope. Not for making horse shoes. I've never tried making horse shoes, tho I have done some blacsmithing in my day.
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Post by jakesrocks on Jul 23, 2012 22:37:42 GMT -5
Damn that internet. You got it Helen. I've always known it as a seam setter. Different sizes for different thicknesses of sheet metal. I have 4 sizes, but there's more. Kids doing sheet metal work these days have no idea what these tools are for. Everything is done by machine now. When the tool is hammered along the seam, it locks it so it can't come apart. Think I still have your address. I'll get a box of slabs out to you on my next trip to town. |
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Post by helens on Jul 23, 2012 22:57:11 GMT -5
Kewl:)... but TECHNICALLY, that tool was first a blacksmith tool, and it's USE was for crimping metal together in armor, and folding metal over in swords (to strengthen bronze swords over 3000 years ago...)... something Carleton does every day. Do you know that his hobby/business is to MAKE full sized replicas of Midieval suits of armor (probably using that tool you showed:P)? (sorry Carleton, I have a big mouth:P). That said, there is STILL use for it today... the site I got that pix from for use is an automotive forum (which I btw know absolutely nothing about), but the thread was about using it to crimp a hole in an irreplaceable rounded gas tank or something... and when you cannot buy replacement parts for fixing vintage items, you HAVE to resort to the old hand tools. Machines can't replace specialized uses... But I'll take the box of rocks, cuz I know you have hoardes of goodies, lots of neato slabs, and 'collections' of everything I can think of (and things I can't think of!!)  . hehe. |
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Post by jakesrocks on Jul 23, 2012 23:05:46 GMT -5
Helen, armor is made of sheet metal, so technically even 3,000 years ago it was a sheet metal tool. Anything thinner than 1/8" is classified as sheet metal. !/8" is plate. In this case, 5 lb. plate. (5 lbs per Sq. Ft.). Stakes would have been used, even way back then to fold metal for swords.
That being said, I'm going to throw a curve at you for my next contest. Something that may not be found on the internet. Or if it is, it won't be where you'd expect it to be.
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Post by helens on Jul 23, 2012 23:14:32 GMT -5
That being said, I'm going to throw a curve at you for my next contest. Something that may not be found on the internet. Or if it is, it won't be where you'd expect it to be. 'Finding" THIS on the internet took up HOURS of my evening already!!!! LOL! I first had to WRACK my brain for what *I* would do with that thing before I had anything to search!!! |
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