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Post by Fossilman on Aug 14, 2012 12:58:19 GMT -5
Well it was cool enough this morning to start digging through the sapphire bucket we got from Gem Mountain in Montana.... This was our first time(Tammy and I)looking for sapphires.....(Not the last either) It was a blast,like a kid in a candy store!!! LOL We only did half the bucket so far,got tired of bending over picking the gems from the gravel-LOL....Enjoy the pics... Looks like there might be a few that can be cut into gems.... Will finish off the bucket when it cools off a bit more...
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Post by jakesrocks on Aug 14, 2012 13:13:36 GMT -5
Cool finds Mike. I have half a sand bag full of that gravel to sort through. Been sitting in my garage for over 2 years. It's my understanding that if you spread the gravel out in a dark place and go over it with a UV light, the sapphires will glow, making it easier to find them in the gravel. The friend that I got the gravel from found a tiny diamond in one of his bags of gravel.
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Post by Fossilman on Aug 14, 2012 14:12:06 GMT -5
Also Don,if you use a (clear)glass pie pan in the sun light,they "pop" out at you too..........Just put a 1/2 cup of gravel in each time,works like a charm.....
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Post by jakesrocks on Aug 14, 2012 15:26:32 GMT -5
I'm gonna tumble mine with just a little water for a couple hours, to get all of the dust and loose junk washed off before trying to pick them out. Just tumble, rinse and spread them to dry.
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Post by helens on Aug 14, 2012 15:38:17 GMT -5
Wow... PINK sapphires?!
Sapphires are corundrum, and rubies are too... so aren't pink sapphires just rubies?
And... how can they tumble... they are harder than the grits:).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2012 15:47:52 GMT -5
Beautiful stones! I pawed my way through a bunch of gravel to extract Montana sapphires a couple of years back, and thought it was great fun. I look forward to seeing them polished. Sapphires are corundrum, and rubies are too... so aren't pink sapphires just rubies? To be a ruby, the stone must be highly saturated (i.e., more red than pink). It's a fine line. Montana does produce some corundum that is red enough to make it into the "ruby" category. North Carolina has the only other appreciable USA ruby production, IIRC.
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Post by helens on Aug 14, 2012 16:00:05 GMT -5
Beautiful stones! I pawed my way through a bunch of gravel to extract Montana sapphires a couple of years back, and thought it was great fun. I look forward to seeing them polished. Sapphires are corundrum, and rubies are too... so aren't pink sapphires just rubies? To be a ruby, the stone must be highly saturated (i.e., more red than pink). It's a fine line. Montana does produce some corundum that is red enough to make it into the "ruby" category. North Carolina has the only other appreciable USA ruby production, IIRC. Ahhh... so the difference between rubies and sapphires is that rubies have a PARTICULAR level of saturation of red, beyond which they are rubies, and every other corundrum is a sapphire? In one of my estate boxes I bought, I found a little round stone that I tumbled 5x and I don't think it removed even a hair off of the material... and I thought, this has to be a corundrum, but it's blue green in 3 different colors, with 2 spots of opal-like fire. I still don't know what it is, but if I ever want to learn to facet, that's the stone I'd facet. Would that be a sapphire because it's not red, but has both blue and green? Some of fossilman's are green too.
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Post by Bluesky78987 on Aug 14, 2012 16:48:34 GMT -5
Wow, can one buy this gravel online anywhere? We have tourmaline mines you can dig through in a similar fashion here, but those saphires look awesome.
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Post by Fossilman on Aug 14, 2012 17:21:17 GMT -5
The sapphires from this mine are light green,pale blue and clear(common colors)-Rare colors are dark blue,forst green,orange,yellow,pink and red(ruby)... Gem Mountain is the only sapphire deposit in the world that produces every color of gem sapphire...
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Post by Fossilman on Aug 14, 2012 17:23:12 GMT -5
Wow, can one buy this gravel online anywhere? We have tourmaline mines you can dig through in a similar fashion here, but those saphires look awesome. Here ya' go and yes,you can order online....... www.gemmtn.com
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Post by gingerkid on Aug 14, 2012 18:33:52 GMT -5
Helen, are you having a conundrum for corundum? Just kidding with you. Some sapphires are multi-colored or parti-colored, like the ones that have green and blue (or zoned). Some are color-shifters and some may have color change phenomena.
Richard Hughes of ruby-sapphire.com has a wealth of information on his site. And Vincent Pardieu of fieldgemology.org is an awesome site to visit, too. I highly recommend Richard Hughes and Vincent Pardieu's websites!
Thanks for posting pics of your finds, Fossilman, and the link, too! Are you going to cab and facet some of the sapphires??
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Post by helens on Aug 14, 2012 23:09:18 GMT -5
Helen, are you having a conundrum for corundum? Just kidding with you. Some sapphires are multi-colored or parti-colored, like the ones that have green and blue (or zoned). Some are color-shifters and some may have color change phenomena. Richard Hughes of ruby-sapphire.com has a wealth of information on his site. And Vincent Pardieu of fieldgemology.org is an awesome site to visit, too. I highly recommend Richard Hughes and Vincent Pardieu's websites! Thanks for posting pics of your finds, Fossilman, and the link, too! Are you going to cab and facet some of the sapphires?? LOL! I love looking at the rough:). Do I want to CUT them? Oh heck no!! I have a fit cutting agates!! LOL! The classifications are fer shur strange to me tho!!! Thanks rocks2dust for the clarification:). I go blind cutting 1" cabs, I can't imagine faceting teeny little stones!!! But I absolutely admire them!! (cut and uncut!!)
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Post by Bluesky78987 on Aug 15, 2012 0:56:11 GMT -5
Thanks for the link Fossilman!
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Post by rockingthenorth on Aug 15, 2012 1:00:16 GMT -5
that is so awesome that you found such a pretty thing in the dirt. you going to polish them.
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Post by NatureNut on Aug 15, 2012 7:57:49 GMT -5
We went with Montanamuskrats Tom and Deb a couple years ago. What a fun time we had. Had a ring made with four of them and I wear it 24/7. Awesome find on the pink ones Michael. Jo
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Post by grayfingers on Aug 15, 2012 8:39:57 GMT -5
Montana Sapphires - History Sapphires were first found in Montana in 1865 by early gold prospectors mining the Missouri river near Helena. These sapphires were the first sapphires found in the United States that were gem-quality. Several gravel bars along the Missouri river held not only a fortune in gold, but a vast array of sapphires that became known as Fancy Montana Sapphires, due to their large variety of fancy colors. These beautiful sapphires, first thought not to be very valuable due to their pale colors, and detrimental to gold miners whose sluice boxes they plugged, later became one of the many reasons Montana is known as “The Treasure State.” With heat-treating, a common permanent method used to enhance the color and clarity of sapphires, these pale stones became vibrant and intense in color with the treatment. While the most common color is a pale blue/green, many other colors can be found. The rarest color to find in Fancy Montana Sapphires is a true red, which is technically a ruby, and this color is almost never found. The gold rush sent prospectors up every river and creek in Montana in search of gold. In some cases, gold was not found, but sapphires were--and in abundance! One of the creeks that was prospected for gold was Rock Creek in western Montana, in what became known as the Sapphire Mountains. Although gold was not found, in 1892, sapphires in a vast array of colors were discovered. Many of the sapphires along Rock Creek were very small in size and spherical in shape. These small round gems were gathered up, bagged, and sent off to Switzerland to be used and cut into round watch bearings. Sapphires of this nature were literally shipped by the ton for this purpose. The Rock Creek deposit is still active and is now most commonly referred to as Gem Mountain. Rough Montana sapphires, uncutMontana rough garnets Since discovery of sapphires in Rock Creek in the late 1800s, the sapphires have been commercially mined on and off throughout the years. In more recent times, Gem Mountain has operated a fee-digging area, allowing rock hounds and hobbyists a chance to dig for sapphires directly from the mountain. While fee-digging on the mountain has stopped, visitors can still purchase sapphire gravel from Gem Mountain to find their own treasures. Gravel can be purchased on-site by the bucket, with all the tools needed supplied by Gem Mountain for sifting; or it can be taken home and sifted. Another site of sapphires in Montana is the Dry Cottonwood Creek area. Sapphires were first found here in 1889, and they have been mined on and off commercially since then. The Dry Cottonwood area near Butte produces a sapphire that has very similar characteristics to the sapphires found at Gem Mountain. This sapphire area is not open to the public; but if you know what to look for, sapphires have been found in many creeks in the region, although not in abundance. In addition to Fancy Montana Sapphires and Yogo Sapphires, Garnets can also be found in Montana. Many locations across Montana produce Garnets. One of the most well known locations is Alder Gulch, which was one of the richest gold strikes in Montana. They are also found in abundance in the Ruby Reservoir and Ruby Valley. Ruby Valley is a misnomer, as the garnets were initially misidentified. The quantity of garnets in this area is so great that the “sand” around Ruby Reservoir is reddish in color. The rare Montana Yogo Sapphires are not treated by chemical or heat methods, making their natural beauty one-of-a-kind. This is exceptional because over 90% of the world's sapphires are treated to enhance their color and clarity. Great history here. Yogo Sapphires - History www.gemgallery.com/#yogo_sapphire_historyPics www.gemgallery.com/#gemstones========================= 2.14 carat Yogo Sapphire PRICE: $50,718.00 www.gemgallery.com/#gemstones:7
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Post by Fossilman on Aug 15, 2012 10:22:05 GMT -5
I'm sending my stones to Hong Kong to have them made into Gems............The prices are better over there and they do great work!!
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Post by gingerkid on Aug 15, 2012 11:53:15 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing information on the history of the Montana sapphires, grayfingers. Did you find any garnets while sifting, Fossilman? Hope you'll post photos of the sapphires you have faceted.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2012 12:48:03 GMT -5
Just placed an order. $32 includes postage for a full MFRB.
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Post by drocknut on Aug 15, 2012 15:56:06 GMT -5
Great information grayfingers. I've been to Gem Mountain and got a few cuttable sapphires that are still sitting in the little baggie two years later...lol. They are fun to find in the gravel, it's like a treasure hunt. I also like screening for garnets which seem to be easier to find for me.
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