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Post by WyckedWyre on Nov 15, 2012 11:32:51 GMT -5
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Post by jason12x12 on Nov 15, 2012 16:55:53 GMT -5
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Post by Sabre52 on Nov 15, 2012 18:07:01 GMT -5
Mildly humorous but pretty douchey too *L* PS: California and all them dang libs out there will run out of water before we do and we Texans won't miss all the dumb libs much either. *S* Also worthwhile to note that 42 of the fifty states now have secession petitions going and growing. They're not any more serious than that of Texas but interesting to note anyway *L*....Mel
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Post by helens on Nov 16, 2012 22:21:16 GMT -5
I don't think the problem would be water. Texas can buy water from the United States internationally. I think the bigger problem would be the loss of all Federal Border Patrol, 5 Army bases, 2 Navy stations, 8 Air Force bases, and 10 Coast Guard stations, all of which would be reassigned.
Wouldn't take long before Mexico would be eyeballing the state that seceded from them in the first place only in 1836 (Texas belonged to Coahuila y Tejas before that, which was Mexico).
It wouldn't be the US that Texas would be defending themselves against if they secede.
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Post by bushmanbilly on Nov 16, 2012 22:51:37 GMT -5
I don't think the problem would be water. Texas can buy water from the United States internationally. I think the bigger problem would be the loss of all Federal Border Patrol, 5 Army bases, 2 Navy stations, 8 Air Force bases, and 10 Coast Guard stations, all of which would be reassigned. Wouldn't take long before Mexico would be eyeballing the state that seceded from them in the first place only in 1836 (Texas belonged to Coahuila y Tejas before that, which was Mexico). It wouldn't be the US that Texas would be defending themselves against if they secede. Thats a good one Helen. Texas would have a better credit rating that Barry's kingdom would. What would barry do if Texas closed the valves on them pipelines. Texas would be more than welcome as our 11th province. But they don't need us. Give them 10 years and there currency would replace the greenback. Before you spout you mouth, Helen you should have read Gray's link. Pasted just for you. .–The Texas Economy. This is well documented but worth repeating. In the last decade, even with the Great Recession, Texas has expanded by one million jobs. One million. That’s more than every other state … combined. Because of its friendly business climate, Texas is home to more Fortune 500 companies than anywhere else. I f Texas were its own country, it would have the thirteenth-highest GDP in the world, just behind Canada and Russia. Or think about it this way: For every dollar Texas taxpayers send to Washington, they currently get only about 80 cents back. Theoretically, they could transfer those funds to the state’s coffers and still give every Texan a 20 percent tax cut.[/u] –Utilities. Texas is the only state with its own power grid. Developed over the course of the last 100 years, the Texas grid covers the majority of the state and is fully state controlled. Translation: Texans could rest assured that the federal government doesn’t have the power — literally — to turn off their lights.–Defense. While no match for Uncle Sam’s firepower, Texas does have a significant defense presence, namely in the Texas State Guard (which answers only to the governor), the Texas National Guard, the Air Guard and the legendary Texas Rangers. Texas is also home to two of the nation’s largest military bases — Fort Hood and Fort Bliss — and being able to control those two installations is nothing to sniff at. But let’s not forget the firepower of the citizenry itself. There’s a reason burglars don’t waste their time in Texas.
–History. Texas has done this before. Twice, actually. First in 1836, when it seceded from Mexico and became an independent country. Second in 1861, when it joined the Confederacy. And while the South did lose the Civil War, it didn’t lose it in Texas. In fact, by the end of 1864, the North didn’t have one square foot of Texas soil under its control despite many attempts. Even a full month after Robert E. Lee surrendered at the Appomattox Court House, Texas was still fighting. Texans love their state and they love a fight. That is a lethal combination. Read more: dailycaller.com/2012/11/13/secession-yall-why-texas-can-pull-it-off/#ixzz2CRpz5yv7
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Post by Sabre52 on Nov 17, 2012 9:24:46 GMT -5
*L* Helen, First off what makes you think Texas would not keep the military bases? Maybe we would nationalize them and keep them. Bases might vote to stay with Texas because since the draft was stopped and the military became volunteer, a good many soldiers are red staters and many are Texans. Half my neighbors are ex military officers with friends still in command posts in the military. Many military folks dislike Obama too. I think you'd see a bunch of US soldiers flocking to Texas and other states flocking to join a new confederacy of southern and western states with only the east and west coast left all by 'their" lonesome to stew in their own juices. Given the choice, who do you think states like Montana, North Dakota and Alaska would side with? They believe in states rights and freedom from big government. They have nothing in common with the slum dwellers and slicksters in New York City or San Freakcisco. Hell, more than half the states would side with Texas in a heartbeat if it came to it *L* And again, it ain't like the old south where it was all rural. Most food and energy production is in red state areas now. As an example, there has been a movement to split California for years. All California rural areas have wanted to split from the cities for ever. Interesting to contemplate for now but it will probably come to fruition one of these days because polarization is getting worse all the time with guys like the Prez in office...Mel
And you can be damn sure Texas would do a better job protecting it's borders than the federal government does, as would the rest of the border states. Half the time the feds are fighting the states over border policy instead of doing their job.
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Post by helens on Nov 17, 2012 11:30:18 GMT -5
Heh, Federal property is federal, Texas would be a foreign nation like Ethiopia. If the US lets Texas secede, it would be an orderly withdrawal. If not, those bases would be reinforced as any war bases. What is interesting is how a simple funny has turned into support on both sides of the issue. Since Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Food Stamps, Welfare, HUD, etc are all programs for US citizens only, the moment Texas seceded, no Texan would be a US citizen anymore, and all rights forfeited, including all payments (Immigration Reform act of 1986, non-citizens are allowed no FEDERAL benefits). That's a heck of a savings, on TOP of the billions in the map.
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Post by Sabre52 on Nov 17, 2012 12:48:21 GMT -5
Federal property huh? Well, maybe, but what if the military in Texas decides otherwise and decides to pick sides or what about Texas bargaining oil and natural gas for Texas military bases so the feds don't have to pay to move all that equipment. Ever heard of dual citizenship or living in Texas and keeping US citizenship? Lots of US expats living off social security in places like the Philippines. Folks could live in Texas and be citizens still. I was born in California and that makes me a US citizen no matter where I live. Medical stuff is going to go to Hell anyway and the systems are all broke anyway, so all that, even including social security, is no biggie as it will soon be gone anyway if the US economy tanks.
Actually too many variables to figure but it would be very feasible for Texas to become a nation. Oh, and by the way, I think your border fence would have to be a lot bigger. Much easier to just fence in the blue parts of the country than to fence out the red. I really don't believe it would wind up being just Texas and Louisiana but don't believe secession will happen anyway unless the entire country goes under so this is all just in fun.
Oh, and the defending against Mexico issue. First off, like the feds do this worth a dang now *L* How many millions have invaded us in the last ten years with little help from the feds? Secondly, that particular battle would not be just Texas or even border states. The entire country is under attack by Mexico right now. Reproductive and illegal immigrant conquest of the US is underway right now. At least that what the Mexican guy working in the office beside me was saying for years. *L*.....Mel
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Post by helens on Nov 17, 2012 16:28:46 GMT -5
If the Federal gov't agrees to let Texas have the property, they'd still withdraw all the assets and personnel on the property, except those who forfeit US citizenship Mel:).
If Texas withdrew from the US, the US would not allow dual citizenship I'd think, or what would be the point of letting Texas withdraw without a fight. Only reason they'd do it is to severe all payments to Texas for Federal expenses. Can't be paying another nation's nationals when US citizens need the money, but it sure would cut our deficit some immediately, and the savings of all that Social Security and Medicare... that's a lot of money:).
If it became an actual fight, I think every Texan that wasn't evacuated out to the US before the fight would be SOL on any federal payment of any kind, now and ever.
Not going to happen... Obama can't force Texas to secede, and Perry already said hell no, he's refusing to leave. So those who hate the USA and signed that petition should move to Ethiopia and BUILD IT!!! Can't understand why any of you are passing up the prime opportunity. Ethiopia is everything you guys say you want. AND... NO Obamacare either:).
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Post by Sabre52 on Nov 17, 2012 20:42:43 GMT -5
*L I still think not Helen. If you are born an American citizen you remain one unless you surrender it even if you live in a foreign country which Texas would be. American citizens live all over the word. My shooting buddy was born in California but spent his whole life in England and now back here in God's country, Texas. Was still an American citizen all the time he was in England. If Texas became a separate nation, Folks could still live here and not give up their citizenship if they so desired. Might be different if a war was fought over it but heck, we'd all be out of luck then except eventually all you dang blue region folks would have to learn to be red regioners and maybe speak Texican *LOL* Even if we lost, I suppose we''d still be part of the Union like after the Civil War. If you haven't noticed the south seceded then and funny thing, southerns are still citizens *L*. And Ethiopia heck, rather all you dang socialists move to Russia or Greece or some lefty country where you'd fit right in You d could build a right fine Commie state I'm sure.....Mel
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Post by helens on Nov 17, 2012 21:25:05 GMT -5
Well, I guess it would depend on how Texas seceded. If enough people in the Gov't decided that it was a good idea, they'd probably let those not born in Texas stay citizens, like you. But those born in Texas, wonder how that would work? It's a foreign country. So they'd ship everyone in other parts of the country back to Texas, since they aren't American and are immigrants? Interesting question:).
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Post by helens on Nov 17, 2012 22:45:49 GMT -5
Thought you guys would get a kick out of this. This was in my Facebook from the Texas Women's Coalition: www.facebook.com/TexasWomensCoalitionTexan women are riled up:). I dun think you lost your war, Mel:P. LOL!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2012 22:53:32 GMT -5
If you were not born in Texas would they kick you out? Sorry Mel, you have to leave along with about half the population of Texas. You should love moving back to the New California, The now third largest state. Jim
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Post by Sabre52 on Nov 17, 2012 23:50:42 GMT -5
Jim: As my ole Mexican work buddy used to say, they're gonna rename it Mexifornia in a couple of years I'm never going back there except maybe to go hunt poppy jasper *L*. I was born in California and spent most my life there, but in the last few years, I felt like an alien in my own home state. My votes counted for nothing as the state is so gerrymandered that dems have it totally under control and have totally screwed it up just as they will the whole country soon. Not a good feeling at all. Texas makes us immigrants welcome and it's easy to establish residence. Feels like home to me much more than California ever did.
If it came to a fight, as in the Civil War, Texas residents who sided with the Union might be chucked out or worse. The Germans around here sided with the North during the Civil War ad were not treated kindly. The Partisan Rangers had a camp just a couple of miles from my house and they pretty much killed any Germans who did not side with the south. It's hopefully never going to happen, but here again though, if it came down to it, are you going to side with your friends and neighbors in a fight or side with the Washington crooks and east and west coast city slickers? Not a question in my mind but I'm old and cranky anyway *L*. Jim you live up in God's Country. If it came to a state's rights issue where the feds got so intrusive your state voted to secede and fight if they had to, would you choose to fight against your friends and neighbors if it came to it, and side with to opposition? I could not fight my friends. Got to say, I spend a lot of time at the range and would trust most my fellow Texans to have my back anytime and I'd have theirs.....Mel
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Post by Sabre52 on Nov 18, 2012 0:12:25 GMT -5
Helen: Your stupid war on women is just another phoney baloney thing you Dems made up. Cannot believe women would vote against someone so they don't have to pay ten bucks for some pills. Got to admit plenty of women fell for it and some Republican candidates a said some Godawful stupid things but lets see what happens next time. When the economy is in total shambles maybe women will not be such single issue voters and like 45% did not vote for Obama as it is. When those younger women who were the main ones that voted for him grow older and try to find jobs or buy groceries, this could change. Or maybe not, who knows. Been married like 45 years and still think women are freaking aliens and don't understand them. *L* I think the fact that he took so much of the Hispanic vote, a demographic which growing fast, got most all the African American vote ( tribalism) and bought so many votes supporting unions etc were primary factors. Round here women vote their pocket books and are mostly older, they mostly voted for Romney...Mel
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Post by helens on Nov 18, 2012 1:22:07 GMT -5
Wasn't 'my' war on women. These are women from YOUR state that posted that, not me:). Just passing it along. I found it funny as hell:).
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Post by Sabre52 on Nov 18, 2012 19:21:08 GMT -5
*L* Helen, them must be some of them there Austin wimmens. Austin is like the San Freakcisco of Texas. We'uns round these parts treat our wimmens rhat good and thangs is peaceful and quiet *L*....Mel
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2012 19:25:26 GMT -5
Goldang Mel, do you honestly believe that only the democrats have crooks and thieves? You are sounding like Romney and here is what the republican party is doing with him. news.yahoo.com/gop-mourning-mitt-not-much-215916231.htmlMourning for Mitt? Not So Much The republican party is changing strategy. Looks like they are turning into democrats. Jim
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Post by Sabre52 on Nov 18, 2012 19:40:59 GMT -5
OK Jim me boyo, now you're confusing me. Didn't think I said Dems are crooks and thieves in "This" thread. Thought we were mind gaming about secession. Actually, I think most all politicians are crooks and thieves but the Dem politicians are more sanctimonious in their claims when they say they are not. Politicians of both parties want to preserve their own money and power but the Dems try to convince us they are all about the middle class and poor folks when it's really all about pandering and making folks dependent on them to get their votes, control folks and stay in power. I hate folks who piss down my back and tell me it's raining. Was not a real Romney fan but think the guy who won is the greater threat to the nation, that's all. Romney was simply the lesser of two evils and I thought he might do better with the economic problems facing the country. Guess we'll see in a little while.....Mel
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2012 19:15:38 GMT -5
Well we both pretty much have the same opinion but differed on who we thought would get things turned around. Too bad we couldn't give each of them half and see who came out on top. Unfortunately that is not possible. Bush started us down this road financially and with the chopping up of the constitution by pushing through the establishment of The Department of Homeland Security. Bush even joked about him being a dictator when he signed some new law that smacked the constitution in the face. I am learning and starting to get involved because the financial situation may be the least of our worries. Every American that has publicly spoken out about what they believe is wrong with the government is now on a list and pretty much classified as a terrorist. If you do not believe me just watch this documentary called The End of America. Bill (grayfingers) sent another documentary to me that looks like it covers a lot of the same thing but I have not had a chance to watch all of it yet. www.snagfilms.com/films/title/the_end_of_america#.UKouEScjfco.emailIt is about an hour long but I will guarantee that it will pi$$ you off or scare the hell out of you. If you care about this country and where it is headed this is where you should start learning what has to be done. It has nothing to do with the republican or democrat argument. Jim
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