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Post by mohs on Jan 4, 2013 11:43:25 GMT -5
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Post by gingerkid on Jan 4, 2013 20:33:56 GMT -5
guess you wouldn't need to water on the wheels when you grind it Pretty cool, Ed!
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Post by helens on Jan 5, 2013 20:21:02 GMT -5
Well, we know there was/is water in Mars:).
Too bad they can't bring home lots of rocks from there!
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Post by mohs on Jan 5, 2013 23:08:29 GMT -5
Here's a curious image from Mars Now that would make any rock hound pause not sure there is quartz or chalcedony on Mars but I'm pretty sure there is a rock'n heart in the Milky Way
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Post by helens on Jan 6, 2013 0:30:23 GMT -5
Ed, that looks like a pearl:). And that's a fantastic heart!!
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Post by mohs on Jan 6, 2013 19:26:51 GMT -5
pearl on Mars would be revolutionary ! not sure what it is NASA is very careful about releasing what they know can't blame them The Curiosity vehicle is truly a geological searching marvel and that Mountain Sharp there headed to 3 miles high Today Mars tomorrow the Milky Way Thanks Helen!
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Post by bobby1 on Jan 8, 2013 2:20:36 GMT -5
I find it ironic that we just spent 5 Billion to send a rover to Mars to find water and here this thing plops Martian water in our laps FOR FREE! Bob
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Post by helens on Jan 8, 2013 2:47:31 GMT -5
I find it ironic that we just spent 5 Billion to send a rover to Mars to find water and here this thing plops Martian water in our laps FOR FREE! Bob LOL! I think they want to know if there's water in Mars NOW:P.
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Post by mohs on Jan 8, 2013 22:56:56 GMT -5
I like the irony thumbs up
The Mars exploration is sold to the public as the exploration to look for water or life ect... that gets the public interested and secures funding
Yet ,if were honest with ourselves space exploration and especially the Mars trip is thought up by handful of brainiacs that talk the public into funding for their own wishful nerdy ideas because they can do it because it there
which is fine there is definitely worse things to do in the universe
But they already have excellent ideas -- high probability-- of what they are going find before they even get off the ground its that slim- not knowing -that makes great science
heck the universe is full of water its abundant out there they've known this for decades
mostly
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Post by helens on Jan 8, 2013 23:35:36 GMT -5
No... water = LIFE. No water = no life of our type possible... because from water can come OXYGEN, and the possibility of colonization.
That water existed millions of years ago means nothing, it has to be there NOW, that's why we had to go look. If we ever want to get off this planet, and colonize another, it MUST have water.
The plan to terraform Mars has been on the NASA drawing board for 30 years... all we needed was the physical confirmation that it STILL has water (ice = water).
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Post by mohs on Jan 8, 2013 23:45:54 GMT -5
How much water are you talking ? certainly didn't expect to find Lake Superior ! evaporates & ice sure but very unlikely that there is underground springs they've known this for decades mostly
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Post by mohs on Jan 8, 2013 23:48:38 GMT -5
o & i would argue oxygen came before water they've known this for decades well maybe only 20 years mostly
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Post by helens on Jan 9, 2013 0:14:05 GMT -5
They didn't know it was still there tho... rocks could have formed millions of years ago with water, then Mars could have been hit by a meteor (similar to the event that destroyed the dinosaurs here), and the water blew into the vaccum of space. You can tell what minerals are in a rock, you can tell it had water. It doesn't tell you that the origin of the rock still has water until you go look at it:).
How much water? Last I looked, the terraforming involved nukes into the core to melt the ice (if it's there). Not sure how they'd create the ozone layer, but maybe the sudden impact would do it. Great way to get rid of old nukes around the world... no idea if they thought of that. As I recall, in 1982, the US nuke arsenal alone was sufficient to knock the earth off its axis (nuclear winter), 110 times. The Soviets had roughly the same capability.
240x capacity to knock the earth off axis, properly placed, should be sufficient to start the terraforming process and melt the ice on Mars *I* would think (but I'm no rocket scientist).
If we had the funding, the planning was done 20+ years ago, we could just do it and have a new planet. Course, the Chinese have been doing it the last 10 years while our money went to do absolutely nothing in Iraq. It's possible to start it, is it probable? Not with this Congress.
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Post by helens on Jan 9, 2013 0:22:06 GMT -5
It's not just oxygen we need, we also need the hydrogen. If the planet had oxygen and no hydrogen, where would we get water? We can't make it if hydrogen doesn't exist:P.
The biggest problem with Mars is the lack of NITROGEN. Nitrogen is essential to plant formation... not sure how they plan to get around that, but according to the theory, it will take 1000 years anyway, so I guess they figure it out as they go. I just hope our economy gets it together fast enough for us to be part of the coming space race.
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Post by mohs on Jan 9, 2013 11:04:26 GMT -5
Interesting Helen The Terra forming is giant leap thinking I haven’t thought that far
I’m more of small step explorer Like the rock hounding scan to Mars that really as me out of the curiosity factor what’s there chemically? How did the forming of Mars differ from earth ? small step questions
But I would temper that curiosity to what’s important at home base politically/economically if that could only be determined Ha Ha
From home base scientists have already discovered an incredible amount in the vast cosmos. The universe is chemically active. I’m sure, in human evolution; we’ll end up exploiting it. For good & for ill…mostly
have good day Ed
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Post by helens on Jan 10, 2013 4:10:35 GMT -5
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Post by bobby1 on Jan 13, 2013 22:07:22 GMT -5
I struggle with all the grand plans for outer space when we don't have a dream of getting the money to spend on it. This country is BROKE+++++++ If we colonize the moon/mars it will only be a few years before we trash the place. What a view we will have from earth! Bob
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Post by mohs on Jan 13, 2013 23:21:45 GMT -5
Hi Bob You make a valid point
But while I have your attention I have question
is there any tips to mixing Epoxy 330 ? I have had 3 broken heart failures now
I think I mix a fairly even amount mixed well I let it stand for a few minutes then apply
the failures have occurred when I'm dopping the stone I assume it the heat --but I keep it at such minimum
as you know I used E-6000 for a long time and have dopped quite a few hearts
I assume 330 should have a heat rated capacity of at least what E-6000 is rated at which is about 150 F degrees
anyway I just thought you might have some insight
Thanks Ed
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