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Post by deb193redux on Apr 6, 2013 15:40:21 GMT -5
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Minnesota Daniel
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Post by Minnesota Daniel on Apr 6, 2013 18:19:56 GMT -5
Quilpie Opals are online. Email them (including the pictures) explaining your intentions, and ask them what they would sell them for today. I wouldn't divulge what you paid for them unless they ask. Explain the charity auction part of it carefully, and I should think they would be very cooperative. The artist may not have a big following in the US, but opal does. Let us know what they say.
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Post by deb193redux on Apr 6, 2013 20:48:17 GMT -5
Yes. I have higher resolution pics that I was going to send to Quilpie Opal. I emailed them years ago about setting up a visit to their sorting shed in Quilpie, and they were pretty nice. I just thought I would ask here too, since that store does not really do pottery, and the value of the piece is much more than the value of the opal in it.
I also found a professional appraisal service that will send a report for just a few bucks. Someone is also going to post the info on an Opal Auctions board.
Feedback so far has been to sell it in a venue where it will fetch true value, and then donate the cash. I am going to have a frank talk with the auction chairperson to ask whether she thinks there will be bidders who might value something like this.
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Post by Minnesota Daniel on Apr 7, 2013 1:47:11 GMT -5
Google the artist (as I'm sure you have), that piece could be worth a whole lot more than you paid for it back in 1987. Certainly in Australia, and for the pottery by that artist, not the opal. The opal is probably just the frosting. Maybe contact a gallery in Australia that features her work.
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Post by kk on Apr 7, 2013 4:19:06 GMT -5
Thus far OA only got feedback concerning how nice it looks, but no estimate on value yet.
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Post by deb193redux on Apr 7, 2013 7:40:50 GMT -5
The valuation I hired basically came back with a starting value in the $400 to $600 range I intuitively suspected, and noted it could be much higher because her bowls sell today in a gallery for about $1700 (which I also knew).
But, they note she is not "known" on the secondary market, so they would not speculate how much above $600 (if any).
They did fill in a few details of her career and styles that I did not know.
I will ask the woman running the auction if things like this have sold in the past, and if there will be bidders that might be interested in something like this. If she feels that one or more parties would go $500 or more, I think I will go ahead with the donation.
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Post by Minnesota Daniel on Apr 7, 2013 16:54:08 GMT -5
Yea, it might draw some interest in a place like California, or Vancouver, British Columbia, but not here in the Midwest. I don't know that pottery collectors would recognize the value of the opal either. There's a lot of that created stuff around, you have to wonder how many people understand that the "opal" they think isn't so expensive, isn't real.
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Post by deb193redux on Apr 7, 2013 17:42:30 GMT -5
Yes, it would be key to have someone who understood it was real boulder opal, and knew that this woman made a series of pots with opal.
I might ask one LA auction house if the would take the item and how much commission. I don't want to spend a lot of time chasing this all over a sphere of art sales I am frankly not familiar with.
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Post by deb193redux on Apr 7, 2013 21:06:34 GMT -5
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Post by helens on Apr 7, 2013 22:33:54 GMT -5
Those are stunning and creative!! The gems are amazing too... was trying to figure out how she did that... I guess made the silver and stone part, then pressed it into the clay? It's ingenious!!
No no... she bezeled the stones, then stuck the fitted bezel into the silver and melted it around the bezel so it wouldn't show... then embedded the stone and pressed the sticking out parts around it? The STUNNING part is that opal is soooooooo temperature sensitive... and she melted the silver on top of it?! Unless it's open in the back. Either way, incredible!
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Post by deb193redux on Apr 17, 2013 8:56:51 GMT -5
Well - Some advice here and on another board was almost insistent that I "find a suitable venue" for selling this bow. Almost a suggestion that it was damaging to art in general to let it sell for much less than some unspecified potential value by offering to non-savvy buyers in a small auction. I was encouraged to contact auction houses. I did not imaging this item was quite appropriate for art auction houses, nor was I confidant that they would spend a lot of time telling me just the right place to go. The problem is that enough original owners have not died yet to create a secondary market for Georgina Elms pottery. Catch 22. Until there is a secondary market to establish value you can't really get into auctions, and until pieces get into auctions, there won't be a secondary market. - But with phrases like "nothing ventured, nothing gained" I was chastised not to be so defeatist or at least so passive. I did contact one auction house in Los Angeles because they did contemporary/modern items, and they had a pottery/porcelain section. It took two emails and 10 days to get a reply, and I can't say I was surprised: "I was not immediately familiar with this pottery/artist and had difficulty finding other auction results here in the US. As such, I do not think we are the right market place for you to realize its potential value. I feel that this vase would be more suitable for auction in the Australian market. Or perhaps this vase would be better suited in a contemporary ceramics gallery that handles the work of Australian potters?" The issue would be finding an Australian online auction site, and attracting a buyer willing to bid on an item from an international seller (and pay international shipping). Actually going on ebay and cross listing on regular ebay might still be a good idea. There are a few galleries in Australia that can be found online, and they specialize in contemporary Australian pottery - some secondary market - BUT the logistics seem impractical. I would need to have them agree to take the item on consignment, then ship it at my expense, and then wait some indeterminate amount of time for it to sell. I think I would be better off finding a local gallery that would be willing to take an item on consignment , and save the shipping. It is still available to the local charity auction if they want to offer it with a $450 min bid. After that, I may try ebay. failing that, I will tuck it back into my curio cabinet and enjoy looking at it for a while longer. It has been an interesting/educational, if somewhat frustrating experience.
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Post by helens on Apr 17, 2013 9:31:01 GMT -5
Ebay with a $485 reserve price (your $450 minimum, plus the ebay transaction fees)... if it doesn't sell, it didn't cost you anything, because Ebay currently allows members to list some items free. Also, you can relist again with a click of a button in a week or so.
If it does sell, you've met your minimum objective:).
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Post by deb193redux on Apr 17, 2013 11:06:19 GMT -5
yes, I think ebay is a relatively easy/free step if I don't get a $450 offer at the charity auction.
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Post by Hard Rock Cafe on Apr 17, 2013 13:01:19 GMT -5
My mother and sister were both potters. I must say those are some very fine pieces. I can' t help with the valuation, but I can admire them! Thanks for sharing!
Chuck
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