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Post by jamesp on Apr 18, 2013 7:01:32 GMT -5
It is a polymer that when added to water makes it like syrup.Like one tablespoon turns a lot of water into a syrup consistency.I presently use sugar to get a pancake syrup consistency in #3 step and polish for large rocks and sensitive rocks.Sugar has served me well.I have used newspaper but it breaks down unreliably.Terra-sorb would have to be mixed first and left sitting a spell so that expansion would be stabilized. It is used as a water holding agent in horticulture.I do not know how much mechanical abuse it will take.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2013 18:14:47 GMT -5
Is terrasorb polyacrylamide gel?
If so, I can all but guarantee the action of grinding will destroy it. Prove me wrong and I will be happy.
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Post by jamesp on Apr 26, 2013 19:31:06 GMT -5
I was wondering about that.But destroy it to what?Maybe something with a gel consistency?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2013 19:58:59 GMT -5
I was wondering about that.But destroy it to what?Maybe something with a gel consistency? Dunno. I do know that it makes a great way to water your crickets!
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Post by jamesp on Apr 26, 2013 20:07:19 GMT -5
Serious?It stays damp for 629 years.Do crickets take in it's moisture?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2013 12:12:14 GMT -5
Serious?It stays damp for 629 years.Do crickets take in it's moisture? Yes, they eat it, but it provides moisture. Dries out overnight here. Two days to rok hard gel. Humidity 20-30% in a good SoCal reptile store. 4 ounces makes a gallon of gel to feed/water the crickets. At one point we bought 250K crickets a week. That doesn't include the untold bazillions we hatched and raised until they ran out. Between feeding and selling I'll hazard to guess we did a million and a half crickets a month in 2006.
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Post by jamesp on Apr 29, 2013 17:59:56 GMT -5
Crickets for bait?Or pets.That is a lot of crickets.Insane amount.
A friend of a friend got bit by a Timber Rattler while turkey hunting yesterday.Said it was about 6 feet long.He had a kit.Doc said he would have died w/out kit.What is amazing is it bit thru hunting pants and muck boats!!In Montgomery county Alabama.Be careful w/them things.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2013 13:41:04 GMT -5
Feed crickets to lizards. Primarily bearded dragons, all things frog, fish, lizard and even a few snakes Like Brad's pet lizard What kind of kit?? Never heard of one that worked. Mostly warning bites like that are dry. The animal conserves the venom for killing it's prey.
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Post by jamesp on Apr 30, 2013 20:17:22 GMT -5
Pet market must have been booming.LOTS of crickets. Poison extraction kit is the way it was worded
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2013 20:59:18 GMT -5
a bearded dragon eats 100 crickets a week. I always had 200 or more in inventory. Plus a hundred customers a day buying 25-100 ea. Plus the other species that eat them too.
2006 money was free nobody cared about how much they spent. I gladly took their credit cards. Those folks are mostly bankrupt now.
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Post by grayfingers on May 8, 2013 21:21:34 GMT -5
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Post by jamesp on May 9, 2013 4:47:54 GMT -5
So that's an extractor.I wondered how so much blood was removed from the bite grayfingers.The fellow that got bit by the timber said he removed 2-3 cups!!!! of blood.I see how he did it now.I would faint;too much blood to watch:>
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2013 13:40:43 GMT -5
that is more blood than is given when you donate at the red cross. I'll be the kit has cups and he meant 2-3 extractor kit cups.
Sadly, the venom is injected intra-muscularly and the blood is coming straight from blood vessels broken by the suction. Those kits have been proven false time and again. Your friend survived because he was going to survive. I am super glad he did.
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Post by jamesp on May 9, 2013 14:30:28 GMT -5
Good to know.It is not a good situation for false security.How can they get something like that licensed for sale.I see a law suit in their near future.2 cups = pint,that's a lot of blood- oh hell,i'm gonna pass out...
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Post by grayfingers on May 9, 2013 15:16:28 GMT -5
Ya gotta use the extractor within 3 minutes. It will get enough venom to make a difference. (As your friend's doctor seems to have already said)
NEW ENGLAND JOURNAL of MEDICINE.
More on Snake-Venom and Insect-Venom Extractors
To the Editor: Dr. Gellert makes several errors of fact and gives a controversial opinion in his letter, "Snake-Venom and Insect-Venom Extractors: An Unproved Therapy" (Oct. 29 issue)1. He is correct in stating that the application of suction to snakebites and hymenoptera stings by most devices is worthless, but he is wrong in his blanket condemnation of all such devices. Bornstein et al.2 have demonstrated that a patented device, the Sawyer extractor, which is capable of producing nearly 1 atmosphere of vacuum, is efficacious in removing up to 37 percent of radiolabeled venom in rabbits when applied three minutes after injection. The use of this extractor as immediate first aid has been advocated by the Wilderness Medical Society in a peer-reviewed position paper,3 in the Merck Manual,4 and in Conn's Current Therapy5.
Contrary to Dr. Gellert's assertion, there is no consensus that it is necessary to kill a biting snake so that it can be identified. In the emergency department, antivenom will be administered on the basis of the extent and rapidity of the swelling of the wound, owing to the frequency of "dry" bites. The exceptions are the bite of the Mojave rattler, which justifies the rapid use of 30 vials of multivalent antivenom (Wyeth), and that of the coral snake, which requires a specific antivenom. Attempting to kill a poisonous snake could place the other members of a party at considerable risk.
It is inconceivable that the Sawyer device could be used incorrectly so that it spread venom further, as Dr. Gellert asserts. Its instructions include the advice not to make incisions into the wound; in fact, Bornstein et al. demonstrate that doing so causes the wound to seal itself under the effect of the strong vacuum and negates the value of using the extractor2.
Gellert is right when he advises persons known to be sensitive to hymenoptera stings to carry kits containing injectable doses of 1:1000 epinephrine, but not when he instructs such persons to inject this agent when bitten, without waiting for symptoms to develop.
William W. Forgey, M.D. Wilderness Medical Society Merrillville, IN 46410
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Post by jamesp on May 9, 2013 15:37:16 GMT -5
Looks like they have done their homework.It is bad business to sell life saving equipment that does not work.That is a high vacumn piston plunger unlike old bite kits.
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Post by grayfingers on May 9, 2013 16:30:44 GMT -5
Yeah, that kit is at least a added chance of survival, Obviously one would still get to a hospital asap. They say that one needs to remain calm, walk, don't run . . . keep the heart rate as low as possible. And, I am no expert, but I think one would have a much better chance of this saving them from a rattler bite than say a King Cobra or any of those snakes that can drop an elephant. . . Best protection is to be careful and aware. And use a walking stick to use as a sweeper in brush or tall grass.
Oh yeah, and look on the other side of a log (not too close) before stepping over. I heard that one doc. said most rattler bite victims he sees would get a DUI if they were driving. . .
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Post by jamesp on May 11, 2013 9:47:04 GMT -5
I have been bit 3 times-2 moccasins and one coral.All drew blood but none poisoned me.I work in wetlands and collect floating plants(hyacinths)by the thousands.The moccasins lay in them.I have been bitten many more times collecting but saved by wearing Cardhart coat after those 2 bites. The coral snake was my own fault-catching it and showing off.It bit me on the tip of the pinky and i could not shake it off hanging by one fang.The bite bled a lot for a snake rumored not to have much biting ability.The ranger said they are highly efficient biters able to stick right to the side of your leg.No 'chewing' necessary.A new found respect for a snake rumored to have poor delivery.The coral snakes i find in central Florida are bigger than the sizes stated in the books.I have supplied one to the Tennesee Aquarium.I found it in my kayak!Gladly got wet that day. Correction-Wikopedia says over 60 inches(wow!) for coral snake,my record is 46 inches.But a Coral snake that size is very cabable of delivery.
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