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Post by jamesp on May 7, 2013 18:38:12 GMT -5
Cattle guards? Joe asks for 6 months of retraining for 'Cattle Guards'!
For those of you who have never traveled to the west, or southwest, cattle guards are horizontal steel rails placed at fence openings, in dug-out places in the roads adjacent to highways (sometimes across highways), to prevent cattle from crossing over that area. For some reason the cattle will not step on the 'guards', probably because they fear getting their feet caught between the rails. (People in the south also know what cattle guards are.)
A few months ago, President Obama received and was reading a report that there were over 100,000 cattle guards in Colorado . The Colorado ranchers had protested his proposed changes in grazing policies, so he ordered the Secretary of the Interior to fire half of the cattle guards immediately! (no protesting allowed anymore)
Before the Secretary of the Interior could respond and presumably try to straighten President Obama out on the matter, Vice-President Joe Biden intervened with a request that...before any cattle guards were fired, they be given six months of retraining to become Arizona border guards. "Times are hard", said Joe Biden, "it's only fair to the cattle guards and their families!"
And these two guys are running our country.
I know you like to stir em up Helen.Two more politicians for you to worship.
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Post by grayfingers on May 7, 2013 18:40:08 GMT -5
I think you should run for something, Helen. Looks like there may be some positions opening up soon! Heck, some are appointments, so you might not even have to bother with getting elected.
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Post by Sabre52 on May 7, 2013 19:08:55 GMT -5
*L* So let me see if I follow you Helen. If I'm sitting my living room watching an Obama, a Pelosi, or Hillary lying their asses off, they're only "acting" so I should not judge them by what they are saying? When a scumbag politician casts a vote I don't like, it's all OK cause it's only a "pretend" vote so I should not judge their position on the issue.? Or I should not judge what they say because they are only a "puppet"? COME ON! *L*....Mel
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Post by helens on May 7, 2013 19:10:22 GMT -5
James James... sigh... www.snopes.com/politics/humor/cattleguards.aspYet another example of believing what we read... And that fake email from the Republicans has been around since 2010 no less, and you're the first person to post that one:P urbanlegends.about.com/od/barackobama/a/cattle_guards.htmtruthorfiction.com/rumors/c/cattleguards.htmanswers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100410190028AAEaXqZwww.hoax-slayer.com/kevin-rudd-cattle-guard-hoax.shtmlAnd, in case the above doesn't satisfy you, here's the origin of that email.... the story came from Australia, as a joke on THEIR politician: Detailed Analysis
Cattle guards, which are called cattle grids in Australia are simple devices used to block livestock on rural roadways This entertaining little story supposedly exposes the foolishness and telling lack of insight displayed by our political leaders, in this case Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard. According to the story, when he was informed that there were more than 10,000 "cattle guards" in the Australian states of Queensland and NSW, then Prime Minister Kevin Rudd ordered that half of these "guards" should be fired immediately, supposedly in retaliation for grazier opposition to government policy changes. The story then claims that Minister for Employment Julia Gillard (now Prime Minister) suggested that the "guards" should be retrained for six months before being fired.
Of course, the "cattle guards" that the Prime Minister was supposedly intent on dismissing, are in fact not human workers at all, but instead simple steel grate devices that are used in rural areas around the world to control the movement of cattle and other livestock. The devices are used instead of gates on many rural roads. Livestock are usually unwilling to attempt to cross the grates, so the integrity of the fence is maintained without the need for drivers to stop to open and close gates.
However, while it may be entertaining, there is no truth to the story whatsoever. In fact, the story is just an Australian version of an old prank message that has been aimed at several American political figures over a number of years. A popular US version of the hoax targets President Obama and congresswoman Nancy Pelosi : Administration Follies (IDIOT'S)
AND THESE PEOPLE ARE RUNNING THE COUNTRY??
For those who have never traveled to the great West, cattle guards are horizontal steel rails placed at fence openings on highways to prevent cattle from crossing. For some reason the bovines will not step on the guards, probably because they fear getting their feet caught between the rails. We need to make that clear in order for everyone to appreciate the following story.
President Obama received a report that there were over 100,000 cattle guards in Colorado. Because Colorado ranchers protested his proposed changes in grazing policies; he ordered Secretary of Interior Ken Salazar to fire half of the guards immediately.
Before Salazar could respond, and presumably straighten him out, California's congresswoman Nancy Pelosi intervened with a request that before any were fired they be given six months of retraining. A 1990's version targeted then President Bill Clinton along with congresswoman Pat Schroeder: For those who have never traveled to the great West, cattle guards are horizontal steel rails placed at fence openings on Hi-ways to prevent cattle from crossing. For some reason the bovines will not step on the guards, probably because they fear getting their feet caught between the rails. I need to make that clear in order for everyone to appreciate the following TRUE story.
President Clinton received a report that there were over 100,000 cattle guards in Colorado. Because Colorado ranchers protested his proposed changes in grazing policies, he ordered Secretary of Interior Bruce Babbitt to fire half of the guards immediately. Before Babbitt could respond, and presumably straighten him out, Colorado's congresswoman Pat Schroeder intervened with a request that before any were fired they be given six months of retraining!!
And they get paid to do this!!!!!! Yet another version made former President Bush the butt of the joke. In an unusual twist, it appears that President Bush liked to tell the joke himself, perhaps because he was once the target of it. A March 15, 2005 article in the Washington Post notes: Richard Leiby writes in The Washington Post: "A joke President Bush told recently in Montana struck several readers as very familiar when it was recounted in yesterday's Style section. In Bush's telling, the joke involved a city slicker asking for directions in Livingston and being told to look for two 'cattle guards.' Now, everyone in cowboy country knows a cattle guard is a metal grate that keeps livestock from straying. But this fellow is so clueless, he asks: 'Hey, what color uniforms do those cattle guards have on?'
"In 1978, when Dubya was running for Congress in Texas, the very same joke was on him." And, in fact, the story has circulated for many years purely as a joke that is not directed at any particular political leader. The joke was included in James Hoy's 1982 book, "The cattle guard: its history and lore": A woman stopped to ask him how she and her party could view the major sights of the park in the least amount of time. Walker gave them directions, beginning with the phrase, "Go down to the first cattle guard and take a left turn." The woman repeated his instructions down to "the first cattle guard," at which point she asked, "Will he be wearing the same uniform as you are?" Thus, neither the US leaders featured in earlier versions of the hoax nor the Australian leaders targeted in this variant actually made the dumb mistake that has been attributed to them in this old joke. A fatal flaw for the Australian version of the joke is that Australians refer to the devices as "cattle grids" rather than "cattle guards". Of course, the prankster who decided to create the Australian variant of the story was obligated to go with the American terminology since calling the devices "grids", immediately renders the joke meaningless and unfunny. Bill, been there done that, not interested. But someone here should, would be fun and give us all lots to talk about:)!
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Post by jamesp on May 7, 2013 20:00:45 GMT -5
I pulled you in on that one (laughing).But i knew this thread would pull you in too.Politicians are much more manipultive,a key to the modern politician's success.Please open your eyes.
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Post by Rockoonz on May 7, 2013 20:51:33 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 22:39:08 GMT -5
Helen, your kidding right? Cattle guards?!!?!?!?!
I guess point proven. If Jim in Hotlanta came manipulate you so easily, imagine how we all are being manipulated by the ruling class.
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Post by jamesp on May 7, 2013 23:22:01 GMT -5
The word politician is unacceptable Helen.Pick an honest,realistic politician to illustrate these desirable qualities that you say they have.The ones you choose to rave about are the ones that enrage the wise.Well known as the worst of the worst.Voted in by freeloaders,dreamers, young computer operators and criminals.Apparently a rising majority....until the coming reality hits like an SEC linebacker and opens their eyes.The smart part of this country is waiting for this destructive cycle to pass.They will welcome you back when you wake from this national disaster and great deception,if a come back is possible.
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Post by helens on May 8, 2013 5:57:56 GMT -5
Point proven that the emails sent by liars to smear politicians can be read as truth by many, even recirculated ones. Once a month, someone posts one of these emails as 'truth'. Yet look at the negative impact on the lied about politician because there will always be a few who believe that lie. How easy is it to do?
James, I already did. Bernie Sanders, look him up.
Mel, no, when you are sitting in your living room, and Paul Ryan or Boner come on, they're lying.
Obama and Hillary generally tell the truth, which you can independently confirm.
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Post by jamesp on May 8, 2013 7:08:56 GMT -5
It's all well.I just had to jump in there and represent Forest Gump a bit.I really must say that I have better(funner/constructive) ways of spending time, you know.Political science is best left to those that have desire or time to spend on it.But I appreciate you hearing me.The whole matter of politics has been going on for a long time and will continue.A bit of a living organism squirming about. I am glad to retreat back into my world and be a spectator.Much easier that way.Got March/April done,May/June will wrap it up and i will be ready for a big rest.It is difficult doing the work of 8 NYC folks everyday-just kidding. Post more out west pics please.Glad you had such a good time.
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Post by grayfingers on May 8, 2013 7:45:56 GMT -5
Point proven that the emails sent by liars to smear politicians can be read as truth by many, even recirculated ones. Once a month, someone posts one of these emails as 'truth'. Yet look at the negative impact on the lied about politician because there will always be a few who believe that lie. How easy is it to do? James, I already did. Bernie Sanders, look him up. Mel, no, when you are sitting in your living room, and Paul Ryan or Boner come on, they're lying. Obama and Hillary generally tell the truth, which you can independently confirm. Helen, you sure do like to toss around the accusation of lying! Today, 3 high level officials are to testify before a House committee concerning Benghazigate, they are expected to offer testimony enormously at odds with the administration's characterization of just about every aspect before, during and after the attack. So, is it also a lie to falsely accuse others of lying? forum.rocktumblinghobby.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=polit&thread=55687&post=623243
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Post by helens on May 8, 2013 8:19:31 GMT -5
Benghazigate is pathetic because it's such a non-issue. Sure, we can prevent every possible incident if we had the money to throw at every single embassy. What do you suggest, we increase the budget for Embassy security by 10x? You know that's coming with this investigation. There are lots of reasons I would not mind taxes going up for, and that's not one of them. The irony being that the Republicans just voted to CUT Embassy security just before that happened.
Fact is, 53 American Embassy personnel were killed under Bush, vs only 4 at Benhazi. Why wasn't any of that investigated? Maybe we should retroactively spend the billions to investigate each of those too. You realize that every investigation costs the Gov't money. Why is that money being wasted on investigating this non-issue? Because we have federal money to waste right now?
All general accusations of lying tend to be gross exaggeration, since without specific instances, we don't have a point of reference. So for my specific instance, accusing Paul Ryan of lying is when he claims that he was 'fixing' Medicare by destroying it completely in his Ryan Bill is a near-perfect example of lying. You do not 'fix' anything by junking something, so that is a lie. When a lie is THAT BIG, it's pretty hard to see it any other way.
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Post by Sabre52 on May 8, 2013 8:30:39 GMT -5
Independently confirm my arse! First off, the leader is responsible for the lies of those of his or her administration at levels below them. The buck stops with them. Whole lot of lying going on at all levels in this administration. Secondly, what one says on camera is what one says on camera, period. How one votes is on the record. How one's employees behave is out there to see as are one's actions or lack thereof. Lots of lies from Hillary and Obama right in front of the camera. Don't need independent confirmation, you can watch it yourself if you'd open your eyes and ears....Mel
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Post by helens on May 8, 2013 8:36:54 GMT -5
There's a whole lot of lying in every Admin at every level with no exceptions. For many reasons, from national security to not alarming the public, government's lie. The fact that this Admin's lies are so transparent shows how LITTLE they lie, compared to past Admin's. Which is a huge improvement.
Yes, you DO need independent confirmation. I gave a very specific instance of Paul Ryan's lying, one which no one can dispute, since you can read the Ryan Bill anytime you want to online.
Name one instance of Obama LYING with an indisputable document you can find right on line.
Before the election, you guys were predicting everything from revolution to the end of our economy if Obama won. And our economy has been improving by leaps and bounds ever since. The stock market has been setting daily records. The housing market is recovering. Unemployment is the lowest it's been in nearly a decade.
Now. What did Obama lie about?
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Post by Sabre52 on May 8, 2013 13:20:01 GMT -5
Well, lets see hmmm so many to choose from. We've already gone over gun control. How about most all of Obamacare. Your costs are going to go down, you can keep your doctor, you can keep your current insurance, it won't increase the deficit. I won't throw granny off the cliff. Shoot, if that guys lips are moving, he's lying *L*. Even some Dems who supported it are saying its a program built on a mountain of lies.
Far as the economy goes, The stock market is thriving because the Fed has screwed up bonds and CDs so badly that everyone is flocking to stocks. I wouldn't get so smug about the economy. There are a lot of shoes out there ready to drop any time. Feds printing money like gangbusters and so are the Japanese, the Chinese and Europe. Can't keep doing that forever without consequences. Economy improving leaps and bounds....COME ON POLLY! Baby steps at best *L*....Mel
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2013 13:34:39 GMT -5
The fact that this Admin's lies are so transparent shows how LITTLE they lie There you go again Helen. deriving knowledge where there is none. The fact is at least some of the lies are transparent. I'll agree to that. The fact some of the lies are transparent does not prove anything about ALL THE LIES. We have no way to know if all the lies are transparent.
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Post by helens on May 8, 2013 14:35:06 GMT -5
I gave a specific example of what I meant by lying: Paul Ryan saying he wanted to 'Fix' medicare, then putting the complete destruction of medicare in favor of a brand new Voucher program in the Ryan Bill.
Another example of LYING would be George Bush getting on national TV and saying that we must go to war because Iraq had WMD, while he had the publicly known UN report that there were no WMD already available, and the private CIA report sitting on his desk that Iraq had no WMD that no one was aware of but him. That's blatant lying.
Now the example of Obama lying is what? Obamacare what? Obamacare mandates that everyone should have insurance, so that hospitals and doctors would not be forced to provide unreimbursed care to indigents- forcing them to pass on costs to insured patients.
The IDEA was that Insurance companies would pass the savings along to insured... yet the Federal gov't does not own any insurance companies. Medicare and Medicaid are direct gov't benefits, not insurance COMPANIES, which is who sets rates for insurance prices... prices the gov't has no control over.
Obamacare was invented by the Republican Heritage Foundation, tested by Republican Mitt Romney in Mass, and adopted by the Federal Gov't because it worked in Massachusetts. No one anticipated Insurance company greed when it was implemented, yet that's the federal gov't fault somehow that private US Insurance Corporations do not drop prices? That's a lie? How? The only way Obamacare can be a lie is if there are documents proving that either the Federal Gov't or Obama personally owns all the Insurance companies who refuse to drop rates. Can you point me at those documents?
As for The Fed, the Administration has 0 control over the Fed, it's an independent organization, so what does the Fed's actions have to do with Obama, let alone evidence of Obama lying?
Still waiting for ONE example of Obama lying to the public in a speech, comparable to Paul Ryan telling us that his plan 'fixes' Medicare by completely eliminating it, and George Bush starting the Iraq war because of WMD when his own CIA report of NO WMD sat on his desk while he told us that lie.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2013 14:49:32 GMT -5
And none of that responds to my point. Just because some lies are transparent doesn't mean all lies are transparent. I've noticed that liberals do this a lot. But conservatives and libertarians do not.
I believe Obama lied when he took his oath of orifice. He swore to uphold the laws of the land and the constitution..... . I believe he lied and is doing the opposite.
Said he'd close club gitmo. I might let you out of that one, just because lot's of promises are made and then the reality of the office sets in and they cannot be kept. He did re-double that promise recently. He's got 2.5 years to fulfill it.
The problem, Helen, with your demand to illustrate a lie Obama made is one can always respond with "he's not done yet" or similar.
I do believe he lied when he blamed that stupid youtube video for the massacre in Benghazi. Proof is coming out to the contrary. That was a coordinated lie by Obama, Mrs. Clinton and all the rest of the bad actors running that show.
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Post by helens on May 8, 2013 15:09:32 GMT -5
So com'on Scott... what IS your point?
Obama lies. You can't give a single verifiable example of his lying, because it is not 'transparent'. Yet you know he is lying. How? Why? What? Where? When?
Obama has no choice of upholding the laws of the land and the constitution. Laws are set by Congress, and ratified by the Supreme Court. Obama cannot REFUSE to uphold those laws without Impeachment. Any Congressman or Senator can begin the Impeachment process the moment they can find a single law that was not upheld by the Executive branch. All they can do is keep gnawing at Benghazi, costing the public money investigating, and turning up empty, despite the media attention.
If Congress wanted Gitmo closed, they can do that in 1 day. Why haven't they? Promising that you will try to do something still means you have to clear 635 people's permissions to do it sometimes. If the majority don't give it to you, you can't do it.
Presidents do not pass laws- only Congress can. Presidents do not uphold laws- only the Supreme Court can. Presidents ENFORCE laws. There are many people involved in the President doing ANYTHING, from the top down. TRYING is an intent, not an ability.
And so you know, the second a single law was proven to be broken or not enforced by Obama, the Impeachment proceedings will begin. The press can talk their heads off, but absolutely nothing will stop Congress from beginning those proceedings if Obama does even 1 thing that goes against the law.
This is a hostile Congress to Obama, from BOTH the Liberal and Conservative sides. Yet despite all the media whining, we know they are lying to us by the mere fact that no Impeachment proceeding has begun. There's the proof that there's no lying right there. If there were, he'd be on his way out the door.
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Post by grayfingers on May 8, 2013 15:13:51 GMT -5
The terms Deflection and Obfuscation come to mind. . . :serious: So, lets see what Politifact says. Bear in mind that PolitiFact is routinely biased leftward. Obama's statements by ruling: True 104 (22% Mostly True 112 (24%) Half True 127 (27%) Mostly False 57 (12%) False 66 (14%) Pants on Fire 7 (1%) www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/
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