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Post by jamesp on May 29, 2013 20:45:20 GMT -5
The radio station America FM was doing one of its 'Is Anyone Listening?' bits this morning. The first question was; 'Ever have a celebrity come up with the ' Do you know who I am? ' routine?'
A woman called in and said that a few years ago, while visiting her cattle rancher uncle in Billings , MT , She had occasion to go to dinner at a restaurant that does not take reservations . The wait was about 45 minutes; Many local ranchers and their wives were waiting.
Ted Turner and his ex-wife Jane Fonda came in the restaurant and wanted a table. The hostess informed them that they'd have to wait 45 minutes.
Jane Fonda asked the hostess, 'Do you know who I am?' The hostess answered, 'Yes, but you'll have to wait 45 minutes.'
Then Jane asked if the manager was in. When the manager came out, he asked, 'May I help you?' 'Do you know who we are?' both Ted and Jane asked. Yes, but these folks have been waiting, and I can't put you ahead of them.'
Then Ted asked to speak to the owner. The owner came out, and Jane again asked, 'Do you know who I am?' The owner answered, 'Yes, I do. Do you know who I am? I am the owner of this restaurant and I am a Vietnam Veteran. Not only will you not get a table ahead of my friends and neighbors who have been waiting here, But you also will not be eating in my restaurant tonight or any other night. Good bye.'
Only in America , is this a great country or what?
To all who received this, this is a true story and the name of the steak house is:
Sir Scott's Oasis Steakhouse 204 W. Main , Manhattan , MT 59741 (406) 284-6929
If you ever get there, give this fellow a sharp salute, buy a steak, and tip the waitress. They have ten steaks on their simple menu from 32 oz. To 12 oz. Toothpicks on every table!
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Post by helens on May 29, 2013 20:59:25 GMT -5
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Post by grizman on May 29, 2013 21:28:45 GMT -5
YUP!, It has been.
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Post by jakesrocks on May 29, 2013 21:34:36 GMT -5
It may be an oldie, but it's still good to hear about a Nam Vet slapping down old Hanoi Jane.
Just for the record, I have not, nor will I watch a single movie with that traitor in it. I'll be damned if she'll earn a cent of royalty money off of me.
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Post by Woodyrock on May 30, 2013 0:43:38 GMT -5
If I were the owner of a restaurant, and Hanoi Jane came in there would be no service to her. I was 'in country' when that bitch was in the North. She committed treason, and at the very least should not have been allowed to reenter this country. Preferably she should have been shot.
Woody
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Post by chassroc on May 30, 2013 6:25:42 GMT -5
as PT Barnum would say ...
Charlie
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Post by jamesp on May 30, 2013 8:22:10 GMT -5
"that one's been around forever:P." Dear Helen-What is your problem?Good Americans could hear that story every morning. I know you are just wanting to start a flame war.Being a criminal profiler for corporate world i find this to be a repetitive attempt to stir it up.And then feeding a need for attention.The thread started with a bait set and you fell into my hands.Too easy. I enjoy your debates until they are disrespectful to Veterans and the institution of Patriotism.In this case i am angry that rich and famous disrupted a hard working small business operation.Only whe i heard"that one's been around forever"did i get pissed off.
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Post by helens on May 30, 2013 9:31:20 GMT -5
"that one's been around forever:P." Dear Helen-What is your problem?Good Americans could hear that story every morning. I know you are just wanting to start a flame war.Being a criminal profiler for corporate world i find this to be a repetitive attempt to stir it up.And then feeding a need for attention.The thread started with a bait set and you fell into my hands.Too easy. I enjoy your debates until they are disrespectful to Veterans and the institution of Patriotism.In this case i am angry that rich and famous disrupted a hard working small business operation.Only whe i heard"that one's been around forever"did i get pissed off. Pointing out that your story isn't true is being disrespectful to Veterans? My husband's a veteran, as are 1/2 mine and his relatives (maybe more than 1/2). Is it being 'respectful' to fall for a story that isn't true, simply because it's about veterans? Why's that?
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Post by helens on May 30, 2013 10:36:39 GMT -5
And so it's clear, I think what Jane Fonda did during Vietnam was TERRIBLE, HORRIBLE, and traitorous during wartime. She SHOULD have been punished for it. At the same time, she's apologized over and over and over in the decades since.
I think, and have always thought, that the Gov't should have allocated the money and troops to WIN Vietnam, not pull out. We started it, we should have finished it. That subject was huge when I was in college, what we could have/should have done differently there. Do not engage unless you can win your objective. If it's not clear you can win, use diplomatic solutions until you can win. And the lesson of Afghanistan with the USSR should have been driven home many many many times before Bush put us in there too.
Veterans and their services have been in the top 10 priorities of the Democratic party. You will NOT see that in today's Republicans priorities at all. They are all about corporations keeping the money. Obama, despite all the wailing from the Republicans, pushed through billions for improving Veteran hospitals all over the US. It DISGUSTS me that Vets in the US would vote against their best ally in DC. It DISGUSTS me more that Vets would go so far as to make fun of him, the person who pushed through more Vet benefits for them, AGAINST the Republican party.
That Vets would vote AGAINST the party that wants to improve bridges and national infrastructure, so that corporations can continue to steal and cheat.
How ANYONE can fall for the muslim-owned Fox News bullshit is beyond me. But Scott pointed out how distorted the media is, yet took the time to closely read the article to see just how distorted THAT BEAVER STORY is, but takes NO time to learn more about what his votes actually MEANS for HIMSELF. That's not me arguing for the sake of arguing, that's me arguing for sanity.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2013 10:47:12 GMT -5
Jim, it seems Helen forgot to support her claim that Fonda apologized. It is true. Here is a linkSorry Helen, I this is the most balanced article I could find. Most were far right conspiracy nut cases. I found no liberal sources reporting her apology.
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Post by helens on May 30, 2013 11:07:45 GMT -5
Thank you Scott, I appreciate that. I don't like Jane Fonda anyway, too little too late, she definitely impacted US morale during a war, and that's a big deal. But an apology is still better than no apology, and everyone has made mistakes, and will keep making mistakes.
They say that the willingness to forgive others' mistakes shows how big a person you are. I wasn't old enough to know much about the Vietnam war, it's really the Vets who fought and lost there who can decide if they can forgive her, the rest of us really mean nothing in that regard, since the harm wasn't done us. And some Vets do, and some don't.
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Post by chassroc on May 30, 2013 11:25:37 GMT -5
Helen has just pointed out that this story is pure unadulterated Bullspit, pure and simple.
It was bull twenty years ago,
it was bull ten years ago
it is still bull today.
It is easy to find lots of reasons to dislike Jane Fonda without reproducing lies about her. It may make you feel good but there is no need.
As for winning in VietNam, the USA has learned its lesson over and over in many different fronts since WW2... 1) it is very hard to win a war when the enemy is more willing to die that you are. 2) it is very hard to win a war when the people you are fighting for dont like and/or dont trust you more than the enemy 3) it is very hard to win a war when the people you are fighting for are more afraid of the enemy than they are of you 4) it is very hard to win a war when you do not have the will to use every means available (i dont advocate nuking the enemy just because the millions of tons of explosives we dropped didnt do the trick) 5) it is very hard to win a war when the basic beliefs of the people you are fighting for are very different than yours
Charlie
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Post by helens on May 30, 2013 11:32:34 GMT -5
Charlie... the STUNNING INCREDIBLE thing was that knowing that (which is all true, as we painfully and expensively learned in Vietnam).. that Bush took us into Afghanistan.
NOT ONLY did we ourselves have Vietnam to learn from, the Soviets bankrupted and destroyed their own nation just 10 years before learning the same lesson in the exact same nation, Afghanistan, 2 decades AFTER watching us learn the lesson in Vietnam.
And then... Bush takes us into Afghanistan to learn those lessons yet a 3rd time. And now we're STILL THERE because there's no easy way out.
Obama gave a deadline for withdrawal... but for all the money and lives and suffering we caused there, not to mention our own... we lost anyway, just like the Soviets did. If it wasn't about money, WHY did Bush do it, knowing it was unwinnable?
What lesson did VOTERS learn about the REPUBLICAN PARTY with this, because given our financial, moral, and humanitarian lessons, shouldn't we have learned SOMETHING about the people who sent us there to die? Either they are the stupidest people on earth, or the greediest. Which other conclusion could you draw from it?
And WHY WHY WHY vote these people in to do it to us again for money?
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Post by helens on May 30, 2013 11:36:58 GMT -5
Lets note too that Romney all but promised a war with Iran if he were elected, and 'actions' against North Korea (gee... haven't done THAT before... ). BOTH Iran and North Korea would be Afghanistan... but a face to face war with North Korea = face to face war with CHINA. If we DID win the war (mostly in our dreams), we'd lose the peace.
Yet people VOTED FOR HIM.
So, what has Iran done SINCE the election? What has North Korea done SINCE the election? What CAN they do? NOTHING. So had we had President Romney, we would have doubled out debt, made MORE people hate us, killed off more American children, for what? NOTHING?
Well not nothing, we would have SWELLED Romney's offshore bank accounts, and lost our Social Security and Medicare by now too, because the bare majority of Democrats in the Senate could not hold off the Ryan Bill from passing. Again, THANK GOD THANK GOD Obama won.
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Post by jamesp on May 30, 2013 12:01:48 GMT -5
Whether the story is old,false,corny,apoligized for,is not really the point.It sends a strong moral and patriotic message.It deserves a salute. Anything less is unsatisfactory.How simple is that?
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Post by parfive on May 30, 2013 12:13:41 GMT -5
Charlie: “As for winning in VietNam, the USA has learned its lesson over and over in many different fronts since WW2...”Sorry, Charlie . . . . . ;D We’ve been sticking our nose where it don’t belong for over a century, it’s in our DNA. The US may have seen the lesson, it may have heard the lesson, it’s been hit over the head with the lesson, but it has not, and I doubt it ever will, actually LEARN the lesson. BTW, Helen – Afghanistan wasn’t the mistake. Bailing out of there and doin’ Iraq was the mistake.
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Post by helens on May 30, 2013 12:15:32 GMT -5
I'm not sure how a large strong man insulting a very sorry and chaste 74 year old little old lady who admitted to her errors is patriotic under any circumstances. Maybe the story would have been better if he pushed her down the stairs?
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Post by jamesp on May 30, 2013 12:18:05 GMT -5
Playing my violin
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Post by parfive on May 30, 2013 12:19:02 GMT -5
Bullshit . . . the new patriotism.
cc: Trini Lopez ;D
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Post by chassroc on May 30, 2013 12:23:03 GMT -5
Amen
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