robsrockshop
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Post by robsrockshop on Jun 7, 2013 14:04:07 GMT -5
BTW I gota get around to changing my av this spooky little sandman is getting on my nerves.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2013 14:05:12 GMT -5
Hi Bill, pleasure to meet you. I thought her query was aimed at me. My bad.
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Post by helens on Jun 7, 2013 14:05:22 GMT -5
I already told you what they did. Search engine looking to branch out into hardware. Their DATA CENTER is the search engine. There's a whole bunch of new players in the cloud space, not to mention search engines, not to mention hardware. Google is the master of none.
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Post by helens on Jun 7, 2013 14:11:50 GMT -5
I know exactly what google does. They've been trying to recruit my 17 year old genius son for 2 years. If you know exactly what google does, how can you say they are only a search company. How can you not know they are the largest player in datacenter design and build? This is why I don't like having discussions with you also. You make shit up and then hope someone teaches you something. Google isn't even in the space for designing or building datacenters. Google doesn't own the largest, let alone even ONE of the largest datacenters in the world... China does. Spend some time googling before you come back with some dumb gross generalization that shows your ignorance. This is no give or take, this is begging us to teach you by insulting. When Bill has a discussion, even when I don't agree with him, I can tell he spent a bit of time coming up with what he's tossing out. What the hell do you mean by 'how can you not know'? When such a thing is total bullcrap? How can you not know that the earth is flat? Well shyte, because it's not?
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Post by grayfingers on Jun 7, 2013 14:17:21 GMT -5
Hey now, I'm a monkey too. . .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2013 14:22:01 GMT -5
I already told you what they did. Search engine looking to branch out into hardware. Their DATA CENTER is the search engine. There's a whole bunch of new players in the cloud space, not to mention search engines, not to mention hardware. Google is the master of none. HAHA, this statment is best left alone. Everybody can see from this how little you do know about google. www.google.com/services/sitemap.htmlI hope your son gets the job. I have spoken to two googlers. They love their work.
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Post by helens on Jun 7, 2013 15:05:39 GMT -5
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Post by helens on Jun 7, 2013 15:06:35 GMT -5
No, most of them don't love their work actually. And he's not real interested.
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Post by grayfingers on Jun 7, 2013 15:37:13 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2013 16:41:49 GMT -5
Bill, thanks for all the new knowledge. Much reading to follow. WARNING::::: tl;dr ::::::::WARNING Helen, I went to your link www.bdcnetwork.com/data-centers-report-demand-%E2%80%98exploding%E2%80%99 it is a list of the "largest" companies whose business it is to compete in the support data center construction arena. You accused me earlier of not researching my positions well, yet over and over again I utilize your data to prove my point. I don't need to research because I can count on you to time and time again provide me the data I need. This is no different. First, I wonder if you asked yourself if any of those companies might be reflecting Google capital expenditures. Did you? How much smaller does your list get if you subtract google's dollars? Did you consider this possibility? In Google's 2012 annual report I see that google has $2.2 BILLION in construction "in progress", with another $2.1 Billion from the year before. The top 10 data center engineering firms in your list do not make it to $500,000. So, I'll ask a question that most could answer with just a tiny bit of common sense. If you were the NSA seeking to spend a cooll $2BILLION of a new data center. Who would you hire? Fluor at $200 MILLION is data center construction revenues or Google who seems to spend about $2 billion ANNUALLY?? The point is Google is a $50 BILLION a year company which spends over $2BILLION annually on construction of data centers. Your entire list, does not represent a billions in revenues. Once again, your data proves my point. So, thanks for the research. You can say "Because I already told you...." any number of times. Doesn't make it true. You say that phrase "I already told you..." as though you are sole source of data in my world. It seems the mere fact I challenge your, low information way of thinking, gets your knickers in a wad. Perhaps you don't like being challenged by a high school dropout. Are you that elitist? I'll put into play Helen's rule of order "When the cussing start's I know I'm winning". While the cussing is mild, Helen it is indeed language not becoming of your inner beauty. The real point of this discussion, that Bill so kindly provided, is that government is overstepping it's bounds faster than ever. The loss of freedom's are coming fast and furious and soon Orwell, will be correct (if he ain't already). Albeit off by 30-40 years. Good ole George was right, nonetheless. I still do not understand why anyone outside of the ruling class thinks what the government is doing, is a good idea. Why is less freedom good? Why fight for less freedom? Why? If that is what you learned at Georgetown, then I am glad I never went to college.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2013 17:01:58 GMT -5
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Post by grayfingers on Jun 7, 2013 17:09:06 GMT -5
Good discussion. It is better to be thought a fool than to be silent in matters of freedom. Not a win until more are awake, but perhaps an inning for the Gipper.
"Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women. It is a weapon our adversaries in today's world do not have." "I don't believe in a government that protects us from ourselves." To sit back hoping that someday, someway, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the crocodile, hoping he will eat you last--but eat you he will." ~ Ronald Reagan
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2013 17:10:45 GMT -5
Hey Bill...
I am wondering out loud if the plan is to let tech do much of the heavy lifting, then when the timing is right, simply nationalize Google, Facebook, Apple like they did GM.
Then we will all be subjects and not citizens......
Dang, I hope I am wrong.
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Post by grayfingers on Jun 7, 2013 17:13:05 GMT -5
Stranger things have happened. . . I would love to be wrong as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2013 17:16:03 GMT -5
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Post by grayfingers on Jun 7, 2013 17:25:59 GMT -5
Right on. InfoWarriors arise! Break free of the left-right paradigm and shine the light of truth upon the darkness.
Rush may be far right, but he sees this one rather clearly.
America in the Midst of a Coup d'Etat "Do these people not realize what we just learned in the last three weeks?" We got the IRS starting in 2010 taking action to suppress the political involvement and ultimately votes of Tea Party people and conservative Republicans. This regime, this government, on the orders of the highest level. In fact, that investigation is ongoing. We have Fast and Furious. We have Obamacare. The evidence of the totalitarian nature or the authoritarian nature of this administration is on display undeniably every day and yet in the midst of this, "Well, don't go off half cocked on this, Rush. Be very levelheaded. Nothing really to see," as though there's no context here.
It made me once again understand, folks, what you and I are up against here. There are just way too many people -- and I'm talking about on our side -- who do not want to admit what we face, who do not want to engage or admit or whatever what we really face here. It matters. This kind of stuff matters because of who the people doing it happen to be. It's one thing if Colonel Sanders would be collecting all this data, but it's not Colonel Sanders. It's Barack Obama and everybody that works for him, and we know who they are and we know what their goals are. We know what their intentions are."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2013 17:36:22 GMT -5
No, most of them don't love their work actually. jobs.aol.com/articles/2012/08/17/why-google-employees-are-happier-than-ever/"With the increase in Google stock price, the death benefits offered to a spouse or domestic partner, as well as the other array of benefits Google employees receive, the search-engine giant continues to lead the way in pioneering a happy work environment," Golledge told AOL Jobs. {/blockquote]
www.inc.com/laura-entis/5-strategies-to-steal-from-google.html
Give smart perks. For every perk, there should be a reason. A few years ago, Google changed its maternity leave plan from the standard 12 weeks to five months. This wasn’t a random burst of generosity, according to Slate. New mothers were reportedly leaving the company at twice the average departure rate and Laszio Bock, head of Google’s HR department, wanted this number to go down. The added maternity benefits worked; Bock told Slate that if you factor in recruitment costs, the new maternity policy doesn’t cost the company anything.
But the two tech giants are neck and neck in terms of what employees think of their CEOs, with Google CEO Larry Page earning a 94 percent employee approval rating, just 2 percent higher than that of Mark Zuckerberg.
Given the above from this infographic that looks like a mis-quote. A typographical error really.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2013 17:38:19 GMT -5
Except for a couple of social issues, Rush is largely libertarian. He is wrong on abortion and the war on drugs. But he gets a lot correct too.
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Post by Sabre52 on Jun 7, 2013 18:53:24 GMT -5
Yup, Rush nailed it, especially in that first paragraph. Obama is not a legally elected president as he stole the election by using the IRS and other agencies to suppress conservative organizations prior to the election and tamper with the electoral process. Plain and simple, his gang of crooks lied and cheated their way into another term for king Obama. Yet, folks bury their heads in the sand and refuse to admit the unthinkable has happened, our electoral process has been totally corrupted by abuse of government power.
To simply the concept for the Democratic voters here. Picture a super bowl game where agents of one team break the legs of some of the other teams players. When the team with the injured players loses the game, is is the other team the fair winner?. I would say Hell no...Mel
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Post by grayfingers on Jun 7, 2013 18:55:10 GMT -5
As the onion peels. . . UK gathering secret intelligence via covert NSA operation Exclusive: UK security agency GCHQ gaining information from world's biggest internet firms through US-run Prism programme News Technology Data protection UK gathering secret intelligence via covert NSA operation Exclusive: UK security agency GCHQ gaining information from world's biggest internet firms through US-run Prism programme Share 3974 inShare0 Email Nick Hopkins guardian.co.uk, Friday 7 June 2013 09.27 EDT Documents show GCHQ has had access to the NSA's Prism programme since at least June 2010 Documents show GCHQ (above) has had access to the NSA's Prism programme since at least June 2010. Photograph: David Goddard/Getty Images The UK's electronic eavesdropping and security agency, GCHQ, has been secretly gathering intelligence from the world's biggest internet companies through a covertly run operation set up by America's top spy agency, documents obtained by the Guardian reveal. The documents show that GCHQ, based in Cheltenham, has had access to the system since at least June 2010, and generated 197 intelligence reports from it last year. The US-run programme, called Prism, would appear to allow GCHQ to circumvent the formal legal process required to seek personal material such as emails, photos and videos from an internet company based outside the UK.. . . www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/jun/07/uk-gathering-secret-intelligence-nsa-prism?guni=Network%20front:network-front%20full-width-1%20bento-box:Bento%20box:Position3
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