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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2013 13:15:06 GMT -5
Snowden at Scott Adams BlogScott has an interesting angle on Snowden. He might be spot on. Imagine, Snowden comes back to CONUS and then sets about exposing even more stuff at trial. But.... he's a traitor, right? Is all speech free? Jury nullification is a special case? That's right. What jury would convict him for what we know he did?
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Post by Rockoonz on Jun 28, 2013 15:05:41 GMT -5
The thing that bothers me about Snowden is, if you look at his modus operandi he seems a bit like our president. This carefully choreographed drama was planned far in advance to become the Edward Snowden Show. The ever increasing tendency in our society to elevate pure sociopaths to heroes is something I find disturbing.
Lee
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Post by Sabre52 on Jun 28, 2013 16:32:12 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm starting to feel uncomfortable about this guy too. It all just seems a little too scripted and self serving to me. I would have preferred he went to congress as a whistleblower instead of all this spy/Wikileaks BS. I do like that he exposed the government intrusion into our business but am also afraid he will cross the line and expose something that will get Americans killed which would, in my mind, be a whole different issue and criminal behavior. He needs to come home,face the music and defend his actions in a court of law.....Mel
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Post by jakesrocks on Jun 28, 2013 18:38:53 GMT -5
I'd love to see a new angle on Snowden. Somewhere in the vicinity of his neck. Then dump his traitorous carcass in some remote field for the buzzards to pick clean.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2013 18:52:12 GMT -5
Interesting Don.
I look at him as a traitor to overreaching government power.
But I see him as a hero to the citizens that were harmed by this rather huge 4th amendment violation. I don't exactly like his method. But the result seems good for the people.
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Post by jakesrocks on Jun 28, 2013 19:04:21 GMT -5
And what about our troops in the field, who could be harmed or killed by his traitorous acts ? He has willfully given our enemy useful info that can and will cause the deaths of military and civilians alike. Top that with the fact that we have a traitorous CIC, who doesn't have the balls to stand up to the countries who have been harboring him.
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Post by parfive on Jun 28, 2013 19:28:23 GMT -5
Hilarious. Yesterday, Lady Liberty was cryin’ up a storm cause someone *prosecuted* a case without a trial.
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Post by helens on Jun 28, 2013 20:29:31 GMT -5
I find it disturbing that he went to Moscow most.
But far as we know, he's disclosed nothing with names. The guy who did that was Brandley Manning, which is WHY he's sitting in prison. He could have gotten people killed, and we won't even know. His State Dept data dump was LOADED with names, I saw them the day after he did it before they took them down... there is no question that was treason.
Snowden didn't tell us anything we didn't already know or suspect... but he obviously knew far more than he disclosed. So what's he doing in Moscow?
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Post by jakesrocks on Jun 28, 2013 20:38:58 GMT -5
China before Moscow. You can bet China and Russia both downloaded every bit of info from his computers, and will use that info against us. He's a traitor, plain and simple. As is our CIC, who won't stand up to our sworn enemies and demand Snowden be returned. Instead of doing what the CIC is supposed to do, he goes traipsing off to visit his African Muslim buddies, at the cost of many millions to the American tax payers.
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Post by helens on Jun 28, 2013 20:45:16 GMT -5
Hong Kong, while it's technically China, isn't the same as China. They have their own independent government, and basically act like a protectorate rather than a state to China. My understanding is that they can and do defy China if they want to. It's been a 'free trade zone' for 100 years, and nothing has changed at all since China took it over a decade ago.
Another thing, Snowden may have accessed data, but I seriously doubt he has anything on him anymore. I think the gov't let him go to begin with, but there's no way they would have let him keep ANYTHING sensitive. Just think about it, the US has reps in every state, within 10 minutes of him landing in Hong Kong, a US embassy personnel could have and would have gotten to him. They may have felt sympathy towards him in the beginning, many Americans obviously did and still do... BUT.. there is absolutely 100% no way they would have let him keep a data dump of any kind. You give the housekeeper $100 and she'd get it unless he swallowed it, and he probably had a camera in his room before he was given it by the hotel.
The US would know that if we didn't get it first, the Chinese would have gotten it from the maid. I'm sure we got it first.
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Post by Rockoonz on Jun 28, 2013 22:16:42 GMT -5
He doesn't have to "have" it. The files of info he stole could be anywhere on the web, or filed away in one or more drives on obscure servers anywhere in the world. There could be literally hundreds of places it's stored, and as many copies as he cared to make. "Data" is not a few CD's thumb drive or a laptop like in a James Bond movie. I doubt he has ever made any of it accessible to anyone, including Wikileaks "asshat" Assauge the child molester.
Lee
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Post by helens on Jun 28, 2013 22:21:02 GMT -5
He doesn't have to "have" it. The files of info he stole could be anywhere on the web, or filed away in one or more drives on obscure servers anywhere in the world. There could be literally hundreds of places it's stored, and as many copies as he cared to make. "Data" is not a few CD's thumb drive or a laptop like in a James Bond movie. I doubt he has ever made any of it accessible to anyone, including Wikileaks "asshat" Assauge the child molester. Lee Lee, did you forget what he himself 'exposed'? They can track everything he did just through his ISP... every website he went on. There are ways around it, like using a VPN, but they'd be able to find those too. They don't even have to be sneaky, this is a national breach of security and their ISP would be forced to give the info up, whether they wanted to or not. And not a single ISP came forward to deny that they fully cooperated with the gov't, while all the search engines fell over themselves in outrage at even the implication.
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Post by robsrockshop on Jun 30, 2013 7:25:10 GMT -5
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