droseraguy
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Post by droseraguy on Aug 8, 2013 8:30:54 GMT -5
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Post by kk on Aug 8, 2013 9:10:41 GMT -5
Should have done this years ago. Now its a bit late for that. But yes, a lot more has to happen for Burma to come even close to be seen as a free country. Throw Laos, and Cambodia in that club too.
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droseraguy
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Post by droseraguy on Aug 8, 2013 9:45:14 GMT -5
So these are their version of "blood diamonds" ?
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Post by parfive on Aug 8, 2013 11:25:25 GMT -5
”Should have done this years ago. Now its a bit late for that.” Check your history book. |
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Post by deb193redux on Aug 8, 2013 12:02:50 GMT -5
"On October 1, 2008, President Bush issued Executive Order 137475, which implements the Tom Lantos Block Burmese JADE (Junta’s Anti-Democratic Efforts) Act of 2008. This legislation was enacted in response to continued allegations of human rights violations by the junta government of Burma and expands U.S. sanctions to prohibit the importation of jadeite or rubies mined or extracted from Burma or any articles of jewelry containing these gemstones. The import prohibition is effective September 27, 2008."
The real story in what Obama signed is that despite some recent opening of Marimar/Burma, insufficient progress has been made to lift the ban.
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droseraguy
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Post by droseraguy on Aug 8, 2013 12:44:16 GMT -5
Now I see clearly the pile that I've stepped in here. Thanks for the history.
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Post by rockjunquie on Aug 8, 2013 12:52:25 GMT -5
LOL!!!!!
I, BARACK OBAMA, President of the United States of America, hereby order:
Section 1. (a) The importation into the United States of any jadeite or rubies mined or extracted from Burma and any articles of jewelry containing jadeite or rubies mined or extracted from Burma is hereby prohibited.
Burma, as a country, doesn't exist. Duh!
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Post by parfive on Aug 8, 2013 14:36:39 GMT -5
”Burma, as a country, doesn't exist. Duh!” That’s covered in the history book too. : ) |
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Post by kk on Aug 8, 2013 16:52:35 GMT -5
My History-book is practical Mr!
Does your history book also tell you why and how it is soooo easy to circumvent previous edicts and made them virtually useless? Even with the crazy wording now, first you have to be able and willing to enforce it.
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Post by rockjunquie on Aug 8, 2013 21:18:31 GMT -5
”Burma, as a country, doesn't exist. Duh!” That’s covered in the history book too. : ) Well, I do admit that I have never actually read or owned a history book on the subject. However, a quick wiki check says Burma is actually the Republic of the Union of Myanmar. While some countries still call it Burma, most Western countries and the UN call it Myanmar. Previously, BO referred to it as Myanmar and the State Department refers to it as both. So, while some countries may disagree about what to call it, Myanmar refers to itself as, Republic of the Union of Myanmar, or, Myanmar, for short, because that is what it is. |
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Post by parfive on Aug 8, 2013 22:24:11 GMT -5
”While some countries still call it Burma, most Western countries and the UN call it Myanmar.” ”Washington has sought to isolate Burma since the State Law and Order Restoration Council came to power in 1988, and especially since it refused to transfer power in 1990 to the National League for Democracy, which had defeated the SLORC in an open election. (Burma’s ruling junta officially abolished the SLORC in November 1997, only to replace it with the equally repressive State Peace and Development Council.)
The United States has refused, among other things, to recognize the government’s change of the country’s name to Myanmar . . . " Bill Clinton, Executive Order 13047 of May 22, 1997 . . . Burma George Bush, Executive Order 13310 of July 28, 2003 . . . Burma Roadside signs, too numerous to change . . . Burma Shave. |
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Post by rockjunquie on Aug 8, 2013 22:54:20 GMT -5
I forgot about that!   |
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Post by helens on Aug 9, 2013 6:07:15 GMT -5
Like Burma has much jadeite left after 23 centuries of mining it as the main source for Imperial China... and as if anyone in the USA could afford to compete with China to buy or even appreciate the real deal anyway.
I remember when I was about 10, I saw a Sotheby catalog for 2 small cabochons of Imperial Jade that sold for nearly 2 million dollars. It's doubtful that Burma even has any real jadeite for export, as Chinese Communist officials probably pre-empt all of it to dust size. That's just political posturing.
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droseraguy
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Post by droseraguy on Aug 9, 2013 7:45:11 GMT -5
Sorry but I refuse to believe the POTUS is posturing on any subject. Must be his handlers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 13:23:17 GMT -5
There was an advertisement in Rock & Gem mag a year or two ago. Dude in New Mexico claiming to have 50 TONS of the stuff. Ad said it was imported decades ago and has been stored indoors. One hundred 55 gallon barrels does not take up too much space. My guess is he correctly saw an investment opp bought all he could afford and sat on it until he was ready to cash out. $25 a pound nets him a solid retirement.
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Post by rockjunquie on Aug 9, 2013 13:29:03 GMT -5
My big thing is that maw sit sit will cost even more and be even harder to find.  |
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Post by parfive on Aug 9, 2013 21:01:36 GMT -5
Saw a tubful of maw sit sit today – mostly sawn and smoothed chunks, maybe 2” or 3” by 2” by whatever – 50¢ a gram. : )
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2013 22:18:32 GMT -5
$227 pound!
The only rock show I ever went to was the wrong one. There was a Maw SitSit carver there. He had small blocks for $1200+++
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Post by vegasjames on Aug 10, 2013 0:49:50 GMT -5
There was an advertisement in Rock & Gem mag a year or two ago. Dude in New Mexico claiming to have 50 TONS of the stuff. Ad said it was imported decades ago and has been stored indoors. One hundred 55 gallon barrels does not take up too much space. My guess is he correctly saw an investment opp bought all he could afford and sat on it until he was ready to cash out. $25 a pound nets him a solid retirement. Burmese rubies were easy to get a few years back. I had bought 9 pounds of them. Found a few nice ones in there. Here is one of my favorites even though it is opaque:  Not the best of photo since it was taken with a crappy camera years ago. But the ruby consists of two crystals grown together in to a heart. |
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Post by jamesp on Aug 10, 2013 8:56:45 GMT -5
Thankful that my type coral is only found in Ga/Fl. It is written in polypisian, "Made in USA".
Beware of imported rock more than ever. It is interesting to see. My interest in rocks overshadows where it came from to some degree. If it has good quality it may not be an issue. Like bumblebee jasper and other materials from Java area. WOW That would be my dream destination.
This is an unusual thread. I feel in the midst of a battlefield. Totally uneducated as to the dynamics at this point.
But watching w/great interest. Keep it simple so I can comprehend(heat/humidity damage). I must study this subject.
On a serious note, i sense pain and cruelty must be involved and inhumanity is a serious issue.
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