rxscram
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Post by rxscram on Aug 11, 2013 1:53:31 GMT -5
Hi Everybody, Several months ago I decided that I wanted to make a slab saw. I did my research, bought some plans off of Ebay, started accumulating tools, then 3 1/2 weeks ago I decided I was ready and purchased the steel that I would need. I still have a ways to go, but I'm tantalizingly close, and wanted to share my progress so far. Oh, by the way, I apologize for my lack of camera skills. If anybody wants to see close-ups of specific items, let me know. Also, I will be posting updates as I get closer to completion. Thanks for looking! Some raw materials... Box primed and ready for paint (almost) Vice carriage bottom Vice bottom (except for hardware to allow movement) Vice bottom mounted on carriage, in turn mounted on carriage rails (as a test to make sure that the vice would move smoothly on the rails) Vice coming together now... And vice all together (only part of the carriage not installed in this picture is the feed jaw and separator, which I'll finish up tomorrow) Tomorrow I will finish the last bit of work on the feed jaw and separator, then cut the carriage rods to size (so that they will fit in the tank), then paint the carriage.
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Post by jamesp on Aug 11, 2013 8:21:40 GMT -5
I weld to Jeff and you got my respect. That is a challenging weldment for sure. Keep the pics coming.
I will say that carriage is 12 times stouter than my 18 inch Covington saw (at $3200):>
The worst part is drilling the dang holes
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Post by Rockoonz on Aug 11, 2013 10:45:55 GMT -5
Agreed, nice welds. My eyes are aging and welding has become challenging. I have a copy of the same plans you're using and I have a problem with one detail. If you have access to a way to line bore your holes in your carriage oversize and install bronze bushings for feed and side feed you will get less blade marks on your slabs.
Lee
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 11:30:23 GMT -5
bookmarked...............................
it is with uncharacteristic patience that I await continuing posts in the thread.
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rxscram
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Post by rxscram on Aug 11, 2013 11:48:54 GMT -5
Hey James and Lee, Thanks for the compliments! There were some very tricky welds, so I'm glad they look good (at least from a distance).
James... yes, those holes were a major PITA!
Lee... Great idea about the bushings. Too late for this project, but when I do a redesign and build a new saw, I'll do that.
Jeff
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Post by panamark on Aug 11, 2013 13:59:15 GMT -5
Jeff, that is a whole lot of work and you are doing a terrific job!!!! Can't wait for the rest. Agreed, nice welds. My eyes are aging and welding has become challenging. I have a copy of the same plans you're using and I have a problem with one detail. If you have access to a way to line bore your holes in your carriage oversize and install bronze bushings for feed and side feed you will get less blade marks on your slabs. Lee I too wonder just a bit if that design of carriage will either bind or be a bit sloppy, but I don't think it will be too bad. Again, what an ambitious and great job you are doing!
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Post by jamesp on Aug 11, 2013 16:22:32 GMT -5
In my laziness I will find a piece of pipe with the correct ID to weld to the hole-the hole I cut w/a plasma cutter. Laaazzyy
If the pipe would accept Lee's bushing then it's for real.
As long as those pipe guides carries the rock parallel to the blade and has no looseness you should get a good cut. I guess the pipes best be exactly lined parallel to each other
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 16:41:19 GMT -5
WOW!!!! You are doing an awesome job at building the saw. If your vise and carriage weren't so clean I would swear that you stole it from my 18' Royal Slab saw. I would not be too concerned about the bushings, my saw saw with apparently the same design never leaves saw marks. Just buy a good quality blade. I am looking forward to tracking your progress. Tim
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Post by Rockoonz on Aug 11, 2013 17:14:33 GMT -5
My 10 inch saw is the same basic design only with a vertical vice like a lortone and a lockdown clamp on the crossfeed. Since I got a BD303 blade the saw marks have been minimal. Whenever I decide I want it down for long enough to fully dissassemble it I will devise some type of gibs to tighten it up from bronze or maybe just braze a thin coat of brass onto the holes on the carriage. Pic is from before the 303 Lee
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Post by rxscram on Aug 11, 2013 17:26:47 GMT -5
WOW!!!! You are doing an awesome job at building the saw. If your vise and carriage weren't so clean I would swear that you stole it from my 18' Royal Slab saw. I would not be too concerned about the bushings, my saw saw with apparently the same design never leaves saw marks. Just buy a good quality blade. I am looking forward to tracking your progress. Tim Hmmm... that does look suspiciously familiar, doesn't it? Good to know that similar designs work well. It does seem to slide easily enough on the rails without binding or catching, so I'm not too worried about it.
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Post by Rockoonz on Aug 11, 2013 18:58:25 GMT -5
Jenkins sold both the plans, kits and the saws back in the day. Royal saws are now made on the Oregon coast by someone who bought all their stuff years ago. I don't know about the person who sells the plans on ebay, I imagine the design isn't patented so he was within his rights to sell his plans, and protect them by copyright. I got the plans with a nicely made saw tub and lid, arbor, and steel purchased to build a saw. Most of the angle and bar steel was galvanized, thank God he didn't make it to the welding stage. One of these days I'll finish it. With my own steel. Lee
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 21:28:35 GMT -5
and copyright protection only needs one typographical error to prevent illegal copying. That is how the old school map guys did it. One error per page made the map theirs and not public.
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Post by rxscram on Aug 11, 2013 21:55:17 GMT -5
Well, there is definitely not a shortage of typographical and dimensional errors in the plans, so he's covered that way. I'm going to make a SolidWorks model of the saw after I'm done, then do dimensional drawings and an assembly diagram. I'll also put in some upgrades that I'm learning about during the process... things like bronze bushings if I decide to do that, etc. I'll offer to sell the upgraded prints to Ray (the guy who sells them on Ebay), otherwise I'll probably give a copy to whoever asks for them. (I have no desire to sell the plans in competition with him, even if it would be legal.)
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Post by rxscram on Aug 11, 2013 21:58:29 GMT -5
Galvanized... yikes! No thank you.
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Post by rxscram on Aug 11, 2013 22:11:26 GMT -5
Today was difficult! It took most of the day to get the vice jaw assembly built. Part of the problem was one part of the instructions called for 3/16 inch holes, and another part called for 5/16. Annoying, but I eventually got it working like it should. I also took the entire vice assembly apart and painted it. No pictures of this yet, I'll just put pictures of the finished assembly up once I get it back together.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 22:13:02 GMT -5
typos, make copyrights! lol
please keep sharing.................
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Post by robsrockshop on Aug 11, 2013 22:36:18 GMT -5
In the set of saw plans you bought the picture aFigure9 is a picture of a 20" saw I built years ago and inspired some of the design you are working on. Of course I modeled it after a Jenkins so nothing special or unique there. It's nearly impossible to get a tight fit on the 1" holes but I was able to get them good enough. I have tricks up my sleeves these days to get out of work of drilling such pain in the ass holes like jamesp mentioned. Of course you are just building one so it is no big deal unless you had to buy the drill bits.
I have a new concept in my head for a saw. If it works it's going to blow everyone's mind because there is nothing like it anywhere. Of course the first prototype will have 10k suggestions on how to make it better because i'm not going to spend months building it and get too elaborate before I even find out how well it works ill throw it together in a week and see what happens.
Don't want to screw around with a patent that is long tedious and expensive so not really sure how to approach this maybe just say screw it and start building them because you only have to change a few things to copy someone elses idea and im sure if a major mfg took hold of it they would do all sorts of stuff like make parts out of castings vs. weldments etc.
Sorry..........no hints lol.
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Post by rykk on Aug 18, 2013 0:26:11 GMT -5
You can get a patent for around $160 if you do your own paperwork and reasearch. Rick
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Post by quartz on Aug 18, 2013 11:05:37 GMT -5
Thanks Lee for the information tidbit, I didn't know Jenkins sold plans and kits too. We have a 16" Royal and a homemader copy thereof, and I've seen several just like them. Yesterday we had "rock people" company, one couple just bought a homemader that looks just like our Royal, likely the plans and kits are where all these saws have come from. Our factory-made Royal and the homemade one both cut a very nice slab and have proven durable, says a lot for the design. Larry
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Post by rxscram on Aug 20, 2013 12:23:29 GMT -5
Quick update, no pictures yet though. Want to get it painted and looking pretty first. - Completed vice and rail assembly, successfully drilled mounting holes and arbor hole in tank. Vice carriage slides pretty effortlessly across rails, without any oil or other lubricant yet. I'm not envisioning any problems with binding or catching when operational. - Legs cut to size and test-mounted. Still need to weld on mounting nuts for wheels. - Saw motor stand welded and motor test fitted. - Still need to mount the feed motor and paint the mount. - Tonight I will be putting on the final paint coat for the vice / carriage assembly and rail mounts. Daylight permitting, I'll also put on the first coat of enamel for the tank and legs. -
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