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Post by helens on Sept 3, 2013 22:24:21 GMT -5
I'm not in fear of squat. I have hubby's Thompson that will cut a tree down in a single 5 sec burst. No it's not anything like an obsolete computer. Computers have to drive modern software... which get bigger and more complex. 20 short years ago, a large hard drive was 2 mb, and we used floppy 5" disks that aren't sold today. For a gun to be comparable, you'd have to try to fit a .44 bullet into your grandma's .22, AND .22 bullets were no longer sold. A gun is functional. That's like saying you should never buy a used saw because the new ones are so much better. They aren't are they? Better is relative. As for gangbangers using em to rob people, in Orlando, a lot of robberies are committed with shotguns. I don't think they keep them in their pants either. If someone is pissed off not being to buy an imported one, they can go buy one on at a show, they aren't that rare, just expensive. So your motive isn't accessibility, it's price. If you HAD your vintage gun collection, you wouldn't want their value to depreciate. Drop the price, and all other prices must drop too or they don't sell. Yes they are heavy, but far as I can tell, men aren't smaller today than they used to be. Maybe for the military, a lighter weapon is better, but unless you plan on expeditions to the North Pole, that bit of extra weight doesn't mean anything to most people. Nevermind the fact that even you admit the Garand is NOT obsolete because you not only want one, you know lots of others who do too. I'm not getting sucked into a gun discussion. You can go talk with the guys over at theFiringLine.com, who happily spend all day talking about guns:).
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Post by jamesp on Sept 3, 2013 23:01:59 GMT -5
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Post by jamesp on Sept 3, 2013 23:11:52 GMT -5
If i were forced to guerrilla warfare i would use my little 22 mag lever action that weighs 5 pounds and holds 20 rounds. And 100 more in each pocket.
That gun is #1 poaching gun. Deadly powerful and dead accurate. Game wardens worst enemy in bush country.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 8:32:04 GMT -5
Obsolete - No longer in use for it's intended purpose. Jim
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Post by jakesrocks on Sept 4, 2013 10:16:15 GMT -5
Maybe someone should let Helen load and shoot an M-1 Garrand. She's look sweet with a big old swollen M-1 thumb.
As for the M-1 carbine, I'd buy one in a heart beat. Except for the stock, I have all the parts to convert it to an M-3.
Oh, and let me add, a used, ex Mil. .45 is usually about as accurate a shot as you could get by throwing the damned gun at your intended target. A lot of money has to go into ex Mil. weapons to make them function like or better than new.
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Post by robsrockshop on Sept 4, 2013 10:47:19 GMT -5
Yes bullets that travel miles are sometimes an annoyance esp when you live in the country like me during deer season. One time I literally was taking a whiz on the side of the house when a bullet hit the driveway no more than 10' away and whizzed off. If I hadn't been whizzing before i'm sure I would've shortly, you can't see where they're going to end up at and the country in a lot of place aint what it used to be with people moving out and building houses everywhere.
Of course i'd still love to have one despite and plenty of rednecks would pay a 'fair' price for one. The best bet would be for a large buyer to just trickle them out on the market instead of flood it with the current gun craze probably wouldn't take long to download. I think it's letting up some I am having an easier time getting ammo and I know a couple dealers with a full wall of Ar's. I thought about getting one but I already have more firepower now than I know what to do with if I can't take out intruders with what I have now it was a losing situation anyhow.
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Post by Sabre52 on Sept 4, 2013 16:49:11 GMT -5
Holy machine guns! I just got back from the pistol range and find out Helen must be married to Al Capone or John Dillinger. I ain't seen a full auto tommy gun at the ranges in years. Hope your hubby has all the appropriate paperwork. That's a Title II piece you are talking about there. Obama's ATF will be on our hubby like ugly on an ape if he ain't properly licensed *L*.
While I like Garands, my great loves used to be the Mauser, the Enfield and the Springfield. The old saying goes in WWI the Germans had the best sporting rifle the English had the best combat rifle and the Americans had the best target rifle. I used to spend all my ammo allowance feeding a hoard of those old rifles *L*. All are "obsolete" but wonderfully fun to shoot. My absolute favorites were a Chilean 7mm Carbinaros Mauser carbine and a Venezuelan 7mm target model made for the Pan American Games in the 50's. Only 10,000 or so of the carbines made and one of the most fantastic Mausers ever built. The other I think they only made a few hundred of and it had full on target sights. Another very cool Obsolete gun.
And Helen, you can find a blog for almost any military gun ever made where the folks claim it's not obsolete and the best gun ever *L*. It's the current military that decides if something is obsolete or not. Jeez, I'm arguing guns with a cat herder *L*.
Great looking bunch of gunslinging owlhoots Scott *S*. I love seeing kids at the range.Mel
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Post by jakesrocks on Sept 4, 2013 17:15:34 GMT -5
Duck and cover, Helen's got a Tommy gun. Ya, right !! Think the girl's been watching too many 40's movies. I'd love to see her rip off a 5 second burst with one of those things. Wonder how many birds she'd kill after the second or third round ?
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Post by jakesrocks on Sept 4, 2013 17:34:36 GMT -5
<< Quote Helen>> Read the rest of the posts, no one thinks its obsolete there either, and several of these guys are Nam vets with quite a lot to say about the M1 and it's 'obsolete-ness'. So there.
In 18 months in Nam, I never once saw an M1 Garrand. And I only saw 1 M1 Carbine. It was a personal weapon brought over by one of the guys.
<<Quote Helen again>> Yes they are heavy, but far as I can tell, men aren't smaller today than they used to be. Maybe for the military, a lighter weapon is better, but unless you plan on expeditions to the North Pole, that bit of extra weight doesn't mean anything to most people. Nevermind the fact that even you admit the Garand is NOT obsolete because you not only want one, you know lots of others who do too.
How full of crap can you get Helen ? The weapons today for the most part are smaller and lighter because most battles as of late take place in jungles or villages. Ever try to maneuver a heavy long rifle through dense jungle ? Ever tried to maneuver a heavy long rifle in door to door fighting ?
My personal weapon in Nam was a long M14 with full auto selector. When I was there, the M16's were still prone to jamming. I refused the M16, and told them that if they insisted on issuing me one, during the first fire fight it would end up in a mud puddle, and I'd pick up the first available AK47. Times have changed. Those smaller, lighter rifles are now some of the best combat weapons in the world. The longer rifles are only used now when you have a need to reach out and touch someone. IE, sniper use.
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Post by helens on Sept 4, 2013 17:45:06 GMT -5
Duck and cover, Helen's got a Tommy gun. Ya, right !! Think the girl's been watching too many 40's movies. I'd love to see her rip off a 5 second burst with one of those things. Wonder how many birds she'd kill after the second or third round ? Actually... you're right. But you couldn't use it either, so there.
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Post by helens on Sept 4, 2013 17:59:07 GMT -5
<< Quote Helen>> Read the rest of the posts, no one thinks its obsolete there either, and several of these guys are Nam vets with quite a lot to say about the M1 and it's 'obsolete-ness'. So there. In 18 months in Nam, I never once saw an M1 Garrand. And I only saw 1 M1 Carbine. It was a personal weapon brought over by one of the guys. <<Quote Helen again>> Yes they are heavy, but far as I can tell, men aren't smaller today than they used to be. Maybe for the military, a lighter weapon is better, but unless you plan on expeditions to the North Pole, that bit of extra weight doesn't mean anything to most people. Nevermind the fact that even you admit the Garand is NOT obsolete because you not only want one, you know lots of others who do too. How full of crap can you get Helen ? The weapons today for the most part are smaller and lighter because most battles as of late take place in jungles or villages. Ever try to maneuver a heavy long rifle through dense jungle ? Ever tried to maneuver a heavy long rifle in door to door fighting ? My personal weapon in Nam was a long M14 with full auto selector. When I was there, the M16's were still prone to jamming. I refused the M16, and told them that if they insisted on issuing me one, during the first fire fight it would end up in a mud puddle, and I'd pick up the first available AK47. Times have changed. Those smaller, lighter rifles are now some of the best combat weapons in the world. The longer rifles are only used now when you have a need to reach out and touch someone. IE, sniper use. That's interesting. More from the same page: thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=198533I got that from these guys, I don't have a Garand. How full of crap are they you mean? Go tell them how full of crap they are. or Or Or Or
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Post by jakesrocks on Sept 4, 2013 18:14:12 GMT -5
Duck and cover, Helen's got a Tommy gun. Ya, right !! Think the girl's been watching too many 40's movies. I'd love to see her rip off a 5 second burst with one of those things. Wonder how many birds she'd kill after the second or third round ? Actually... you're right. But you couldn't use it either, so there. Actually, that's where you're wrong Helen. I actually have fired a Thompson.
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Post by jakesrocks on Sept 4, 2013 18:26:23 GMT -5
LOL, Helen's smokin the keyboard again, googling things she knows nothing about.
Here's one for you to google Helen. Mosin-Nagant M91/30 7.62X54R Sniper model. I'm looking at one in my gun rack, along with two .303 Enfields and two SKS's. One Chinese and one Russian made.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 18:26:53 GMT -5
Great looking bunch of gunslinging owlhoots Scott *S*. I love seeing kids at the range.Mel And all clearly well trained. Have a look at their posture and shooting position. Nye on perfect everyone. The young woman in red with the pistol grip Knoxx stocked 870 is ready for bidness! I'd would love to take her and her father quail hunting. We could just give her our shells and fetch birds for her.
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Post by helens on Sept 4, 2013 18:29:54 GMT -5
LOL, Helen's smokin the keyboard again, googling things she knows nothing about. Here's one for you to google Helen. Mosin-Nagant M91/30 7.62X54R Sniper model. I'm looking at one in my gun rack, along with two .303 Enfields and two SKS's. One Chinese and one Russian made. Quit posting about your ownership of expensive things on a public forum, Don.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 18:33:59 GMT -5
Don, she's right. Cuz' PRISM will tell the ATF who owns what from such posts and then they will know whom to confiscate from first. The only thief dumb enough to steal guns from Veterans is the gov't.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 18:38:30 GMT -5
Here is why suppressors and blast reducers are important. This kid did flinch when firng his 22LR. Look at all the junk ejected when the weapon is fired.
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Post by jakesrocks on Sept 4, 2013 18:56:33 GMT -5
LOL, Helen's smokin the keyboard again, googling things she knows nothing about. Here's one for you to google Helen. Mosin-Nagant M91/30 7.62X54R Sniper model. I'm looking at one in my gun rack, along with two .303 Enfields and two SKS's. One Chinese and one Russian made. Quit posting about your ownership of expensive things on a public forum, Don. Helen, once again you know nothing. Not a single one of the mentioned guns cost me more than $150.00. Cheap by todays standards, considering both of my SKS's and one of my Enfields were brand new, never fired when I bought them.
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Post by jakesrocks on Sept 4, 2013 18:58:41 GMT -5
Don, she's right. Cuz' PRISM will tell the ATF who owns what from such posts and then they will know whom to confiscate from first. The only thief dumb enough to steal guns from Veterans is the gov't. LOL Scott. That's only part of my weapons. They'd have to find the rest of them, and I ain't telling them the GPS coordinates.
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