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Post by jamesp on Sept 12, 2013 20:36:26 GMT -5
This is a large plant that is tropical. A native along the St Johns River and central Florida and further south. These were overwintered tiny bulbs when planted in April. They grow fast. It's latin name is Thalia Geniculata. A sub variety has blood red stalks(v. ruminoides) covering vast ares of the everglades.  This is one of the leaves attacked by the leaf roller. Difficult for predators and pesticide to kill. Big problem in broad leaf plants.  They are eating machines and digestive tract is clearly visible    |
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Post by Pat on Sept 12, 2013 21:38:40 GMT -5
jamesp what do those caterpillars look like as adults? Moths?
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Post by jamesp on Sept 12, 2013 21:48:00 GMT -5
Boring Pat. Just a smallish grey moth  |
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Post by Pat on Sept 12, 2013 21:50:35 GMT -5
Small is good. I've seen moths similar to that around here. Wonder if they are the same or related. We have leaf rollers, but I've never seen them, just their work.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2013 23:46:14 GMT -5
fish bait!
Do the decimate a swamp? or selective cull leaves?
New nature, I always love that.
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Post by jamesp on Sept 13, 2013 5:43:43 GMT -5
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Post by jamesp on Sept 13, 2013 5:57:16 GMT -5
Scott-that is the easiest bait. You see the 1rst photo w/the 3 wheeler. Just take a pocket knife and cut those folded leaves you see all over that plant and put them in a pillow case. Prepackaged bait that is eating and hydrated while waiting to be served up to the fish. We grow a catawba tree for the big caterpillars it attracts. That plant supplies leaf rollers from may to october. The infamous catawba worm. The epitome of the south. When my wife said she and her grandfather fished w/these it was grounds to marry images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?_adv_prop=image&va=catawba+worms |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2013 10:57:44 GMT -5
That is awesome! Few Cali girls will even consider going fishin' and forget putting the worm on the hook. Jean I said FEW leaving room for you!
Looks like catawba worms have predators too!
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Post by rockpickerforever on Sept 13, 2013 11:26:47 GMT -5
Thanks a bunch for that, Scott. When I was in Alabama, we actually "fiddled" for worms before we went fishin'. I'd have never believed it if I hadn't seen it/done it myself. The one thing I never took after back there was peel the skin off a catfish while it was still alive, and then throw it back into the bucket. Chills... Don't think I ever ate anyway when I was there, either. Catfish out west, they have a muddy taste - ick!
Don't fish anymore, wouldn't eat anything I could catch down here anyway. And the fishing licenses have just gotten too darn expensive to justify fishing once or twice a year. (Hunting licenses are even worse, especially if you live out of state!) We do fish for fun (catch and release), though, once a year at our old rock club's annual picnic. It is held at a member's house in Alpine, on a private lake. No license necessary. Fish using shiners for bait, catch 3-4 lb bass. (I'm sure I've told you this before, good thing you remembered, Scott!)
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Post by jamesp on Sept 13, 2013 16:40:12 GMT -5
I tried to marry Jean but she said she was already married. She wouldn't want my worn out carcass anyway.
Catfish over here are very sweet,must be the acid water. Those 3-4 pound bass sound like fun.
I wonder if they took Jean snipe hunting?
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Post by rockpickerforever on Sept 13, 2013 16:41:08 GMT -5
Huh?
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Post by jamesp on Sept 13, 2013 16:49:29 GMT -5
You don't know what a snipe is?
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Post by rockpickerforever on Sept 13, 2013 16:54:21 GMT -5
I know what a snipe hunt is. Used to get that confused with watching submarine races. But how did you mean it when talking about fishing?
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Post by jamesp on Sept 13, 2013 18:42:27 GMT -5
I was relating it to another outdoor activity.
Do you remember when they 1rst took you snipe hunting?
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Post by rockpickerforever on Sept 13, 2013 18:53:45 GMT -5
Um, I don't know. I'm at a loss here. What other outdoor activity?
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Post by rockpickerforever on Sept 13, 2013 18:57:48 GMT -5
I was going to post info about another caterpillar that denudes vegetation/crops. This one qualifies for the other sting/mildly toxic substance thread as well. I remember these colorful (blue/black/yellow) caterpillars probably 40 years ago that feasted on the leaves of my dad's concord grapes. Hadn't thought of them in years. One day, nothing would be amiss, and the next, these caterpillars would suddenly appear, dozens of them, and totally devastate all the leaves. They were about an inch or so long. Had to look them up, their name is so apropos: Western Grape Leaf Skeletonizer, Harrisina americana. Bt can be used to control them. The approaching horde  The other thing I remember is that they had spiny hairs, and released a toxin that would give you a red welt that itched like the dickens. More info cesonoma.ucanr.edu/files/27429.pdf |
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Post by jamesp on Sept 13, 2013 19:23:22 GMT -5
I can claim one too many beers can't I ?
It's been a long week and the ole man got a good whooping.
What have you got planned this weekend?
I think i am headed to the river Sunday.
Got a little watering and prep work to do.
No rain for 10 days and this starts the dry season anyway.
But this has been the wettest summer in 12-14 years.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Sept 13, 2013 19:36:33 GMT -5
Okay, you're entitled to relax (once in a while). How many is one too many? Please tell me you don't drink Buttwiper, LOL!
But for the life of me, I still can't figure out what the heck you were talking about. The catfish took me snipe hunting? (I can see you rolling on the floor laughing about now at my confusion.) Were you saying fiddling for worms was a snipe hunt? I was there, it really does work to get worms for fishing.
Anyway, I hope your coral hunt Sunday is fun/safe/productive. Glad the weather cooperated. My Padres are playing your Braves in Atlanta Fulton County stadium right now, they say the weather is beautiful.
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Post by jamesp on Sept 13, 2013 19:53:18 GMT -5
My older cousins did this to me Jean. I was curious if this might happen out west....And yes ,i have seen worms come up from a device using a car leak spring welded to a steel spike that is made to vibrate mechanically making worms come up like crazy. snipe hunt A North-American prank and rite of passage wherein older adolescents take younger boys into the wilderness for the supposed purpose of “snipe hunting.” Snipes are an imaginary game bird purported to resemble quails or pheasants or what have you (the fictional snipe is not to be confused with the extant North American shorebird of that same name). Snipe hunts take place on moonless nights; the victims are provided burlap bags with which to catch the birds, while the conspirators spot them with flashlights. The conspirators make birdcalls, through rocks in the bushes, and urgently cry out “snipe” to make the victims believe that there are actually birds in the area. The victims don’t want to be the only one who can’t see the imaginary birds, so they claim to have seen them also    |
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Post by rockpickerforever on Sept 13, 2013 20:03:28 GMT -5
My older cousins did this to me Jean. I was curious if this might happen out west....And yes ,i have seen worms come up from a device using a car leak spring welded to a steel spike that is made to vibrate mechanically making worms come up like crazy. snipe hunt A North-American prank and rite of passage wherein older adolescents take younger boys into the wilderness for the supposed purpose of “snipe hunting.” Snipes are an imaginary game bird purported to resemble quails or pheasants or what have you (the fictional snipe is not to be confused with the extant North American shorebird of that same name). Snipe hunts take place on moonless nights; the victims are provided burlap bags with which to catch the birds, while the conspirators spot them with flashlights. The conspirators make birdcalls, through rocks in the bushes, and urgently cry out “snipe” to make the victims believe that there are actually birds in the area. The victims don’t want to be the only one who can’t see the imaginary birds, so they claim to have seen them also First off, there was no metal leaf spring or steel spike involved. You would go to a wooded area where you knew worms to be abundant, and find a sapling about 1 1/2 to 2 inches in diameter. You cut it off about a foot and a half above the ground, then start drawing your saw across the cut surface - like you're fiddling. The vibrations cause the worms to rise to the surface. That is how I saw it done. No muss, no fuss, only need a saw - and some elbow grease. Adolescent boys are just full of wonderful games, aren't they? I imagine they do it out here in the west as well, but since I am not an adolescent boy, I have no clue. I hope you are enjoying your moment. You deserve it. |
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