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Post by grayfingers on Oct 22, 2013 18:32:47 GMT -5
Good point, I also for the most part believe in not killing anything I do not eat, or is trying to kill me. It might have been better received sans the venom. . . I saw a youtube video with that scarecrow sprinkler, that is the ticket for sure! Plus, would be a lot of fun for other things. I can't resist this though. . . The great blue heron is the most widely distributed heron in North America. It is so plentiful that it is listed as a species of least concern by the International Union of Conservation and Nature. Read more: www.ehow.com/facts_5780702_great-blue-heron-endangered-species_.html#ixzz2iUpxWEX2Same for the Green Heron en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Heron |
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jamesp
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Post by jamesp on Oct 22, 2013 18:44:45 GMT -5
Louisiana fisheries are not friendly with those 2 rascals. The green gives me a lot of trouble spreading aquatic seeds. Causing big problems for my livelihood.
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Post by Pat on Oct 22, 2013 18:51:53 GMT -5
jamesp. @shotgunner Was that scarecrow $2000? I wonder if we stuck a few around our back yard they would give us a squirrel -free environment.
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Post by rolanstones on Oct 22, 2013 19:01:45 GMT -5
Wow, I spend the day away and this thread goes ballistic. I made a slingshot out of a branch and rubber banding. I have small rubber balls about 1/2" that I used to hit him. They inflicted no real harm, as proven by his returning twice and getting a repeat each time. He has not returned since the last time, several hours now.
I think I made it explicitly clear that I did not want to kill or maim this bird. unclesoka, I understand and respect your passion, but you know absolutely nothing about me, my beliefs, or the reverence I have for all living things, and I think you have misjudged me without cause.
I have probably spent more years creating and protecting wildlife preservation areas than most people. The alterations I have made to my own property have created, not destroyed habitat, and the micro climate changes I have made support more diverse life, not destroy it.
The assumption that because I have Koi means I have money is another judgement you erred greatly on, and is just one more example of why you should not presume to know who or what I am about. I would only say, you should ask a few questions first, before you blast me as a stupid uncaring human. I do not make assumtions about anyone, they provide the basis for my opinion's by their actions.
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Post by jamesp on Oct 22, 2013 19:37:14 GMT -5
That's the way i read you Scott. Loud and clear. You are fine.
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Post by jamesp on Oct 22, 2013 19:44:04 GMT -5
They cost about $50 Pat. And control about a 50 foot distance in one direction.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2013 19:44:56 GMT -5
I think I might have killed it because of the rant especially after Scott said he did not want to kill or injure the bird. If you do happen to kill one don't put the feathers in your trash where there might be some mail with your name and address on it. Had a friend that got caught for poaching a deer because he tossed the remains in the dump along with his trash.
What if it was a wolf, coyote or fox after your dogs or chickens? POW. There is no difference and they are not edible unless you are really really hungry. Kill the wolf and feed it to the coyote and fox. You would be feeding the other two so they would not be hungry and wanting your chickens.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2013 22:42:17 GMT -5
Man you folks who use pellet rifles must have old weak ones. The new suppressed model I use for pest control, shoots clear through a ground squirrel. Head shot with it would kill a friggin Emu deader than a doornail....Mel The pellet rifle I linked to will also take a squirrel thru and thru. Feathers are another animal entirely. I shot a canada goose with a 25cal slug with 100FPE and it just bounced off the feathers! Head shot is required at that energy level. Pat, no the scarecrow was $100 at the time. $2000 was the cost of the turtles the damn greater egret ate. 10 of them at $200 each. Plus, my inventory capitol was gone and I could not restock. Ruined the cash flow for the entire summer. Cost of opportunity lost is far greater on that one. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2013 23:02:29 GMT -5
I once visited my old cricket supplier. We noticed that he had well over 5000 egrets in his field. During the tour we asked "what's up with that?" He laughed and said that the cricket farm produces so many insects and so much waste that produces even more insects, that the birds come to feast. Egrets have taken over the territory.
John applied for the depredation permit. He was denied out of hand as that permit is only for fish farms (just as Mel stated). He called the person doing the denial and said on any given day there are 5000 to 15,000 egrets on his 100 acres, all to prey on his insects and some so bold they would enter the buildings. Then when startled by humans they would often kill themselves in panic. The Fish & Wildlife biologist said, "if you can document even 2000 egrets on your land in one day I will issue the permit. John got in his Cessna and his son brought the digi-cam. The two flew over and got a wide angle image of the entire flock. They made a large print and started counting. They had over 6,000 that day. FedEx delivered the printed image to the biologist the next morning. The depredation permit was in hand the day after. The biologist himself flew out and handed the permit to John with a personal handshake and a desire to "study" this population. He stayed for a week and witnessed the actions of these bold birds. Permit justified. At least to the government.
Some folks have no clue how nature and population dynamics work. They value, not species, but individual animals over fellow human beings.
@wampidy Jim, your query is valid and persuasive. Let me take it a step further. What if it was a coyote after your toddler?
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Post by Tom on Oct 23, 2013 8:49:06 GMT -5
Thats why I said don't use a pellet gun rated for 1100 fps or more, that's the power of a 22 LR or so, it will penetrate feathers. Pellet guns have come along way since I was a kid LOL. Anyway it sounds like the rubber ball did the trick, no animals were hurt in the making of this thread. Unclesoska, maybe don't just jump on someone without first finding out some information. We are all entitled to our own opinions, but we really should attempt to make informed opinions and not just jump into a rant.
Ok dad is finished his lecture, everone have a great day
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Post by jamesp on Oct 24, 2013 7:05:53 GMT -5
The little green herons are my worst problem. They are not shy at all. If you walk toward them they will fly 40 feet away and continue feeding. They have no fear. And they go in my greenhouses. It took me a long time to figure out what critter was tearing up my delicate potted plants. The big blue herons are not normally tame, except when young. And even the young ones get the message if you run them off.
But those dingy green herons set in. I will say the poor thing is or was supporting a family near by. If any return like next year hurry to them and try to run them off or pelletize them sling shotize them or what ever before it gets it's heels dug in.
I always keep a deer rifle handy for other issues. I have shot in front of them and coated them w/high speed mud. That is traumatic enough to run them off. Then i do not have a dead bird on my conscience. But the small green herons are very persistent.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2013 9:39:55 GMT -5
I always keep a deer rifle handy for other issues. I have shot in front of them and coated them w/high speed mud. That is traumatic enough to run them off. Then i do not have a dead bird on my conscience. Nor in your belly.  |
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Post by ash on Oct 24, 2013 9:46:23 GMT -5
I wonder if an air horn would spook the thing?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2013 13:04:22 GMT -5
air horns work temporarily, but they get used to that too.
I once hunted a duck clib whose south border was Pt. Mugu naval station. Fighter jets taking off did not disturb the birds!
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Post by jamesp on Oct 25, 2013 7:19:41 GMT -5
This will take care of the problem How to Hunt Wisconsin Whitetail Deer with a 12 pound Mountain Howitzer Cannon ...by: Buck Stix *************************************************** THE WHITETAIL DEER HUNT WITH A MOUNTAIN HOWITZER www.buckstix.com/HowitzerHunt.htm |
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Post by rolanstones on Oct 25, 2013 9:03:52 GMT -5
Just an update.
I am quickly thinking those of you who identified this as a green Heron are correct, especially the behavior described. I thought my rubber ball bombardment had done the trick, but it seems I only trained him to leave, or move onto the roof if he saw me. I dug around and found my Heron decoy and after some duct tape repairs got it set up in plain sight. It has kept him away for a full day and 1/2 now, so i just need to keep moving it around so it appears an adult has staked a claim here.
If this does not work I will need to take more extreme measures. Last year I lost two Koi to "stabbing". I cannot just teach the fish to retreat. I have spent 10 years teaching them to come to me and eat from my hand. They like to swim with the dogs if they get in the water and always go to the dogs as well when they drink from the pond.
Just to be clear, these Koi are Pets. They have names. I may prefer non-lethal solutions, but I am not beyond using more persuasive means when needed. I do appreciate the feedback and suggestions from you folks.
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Post by Sabre52 on Oct 25, 2013 9:05:24 GMT -5
OK,now the howitzer is overkill *L*.
Scott, I used to do work at both those gun clubs by Pt.Mugu. Great places to work but really full of rattlers.....Mel
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 10:34:06 GMT -5
OK,now the howitzer is overkill *L*. Scott, I used to do work at both those gun clubs by Pt.Mugu. Great places to work but really full of rattlers.....Mel Really lots of rattlers at the duck clubs? Not in January when we hunt. I can see the brushy hillsides havings lots of helleri/oreganus though. Of course from there they could easily infiltrate the secondary habitat at the clubs. The club I hunted was started 100 years ago. I sat in Jackie Cooper's chair and had lunch! Hunting in Cary Grant's blind. lol |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 10:35:43 GMT -5
Just an update. I am quickly thinking those of you who identified this as a green Heron are correct, especially the behavior described. I thought my rubber ball bombardment had done the trick, but it seems I only trained him to leave, or move onto the roof if he saw me. I dug around and found my Heron decoy and after some duct tape repairs got it set up in plain sight. It has kept him away for a full day and 1/2 now, so i just need to keep moving it around so it appears an adult has staked a claim here. You have a heron decoy? That generally means you hunt ducks. Do you hunt ducks? Good call. Animals with names are indeed pets! Awesome Scott. You rock. |
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Post by jamesp on Oct 25, 2013 20:48:03 GMT -5
If i had koi that are that nice and they are your babies i would do whatever it takes.
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