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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2013 19:36:06 GMT -5
I have to rebuild my carriage and since I switched to water based lube I am cleaning up the whole thing. Impossible to do while it is all in one piece. It was 18 below zero this morning and just barely got above zero during the "hot" part of the day so the car wash is out. Plus, every time I take something like this to the car wash it pretty much ends up being a transfer of the gunk from whatever I am washing onto me because of spray back. So, sigh, here I am cleaning the thing at home in a tub of water. This saw will never see oil in it again as long as I own it. Have you guessed by now that I hate cleaning a saw. Here is why. ![](http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h375/wampidy/P2060010.jpg) ![](http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h375/wampidy/P2060011.jpg) ![](http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h375/wampidy/P2060012.jpg) ![](http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h375/wampidy/P2060008.jpg) ![](http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h375/wampidy/P2060009.jpg) ![](http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h375/wampidy/P2060013.jpg) I love my job, I love my job, I love my job. Clear to the elbows baby and smear it on thick. Jim
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Post by quartz on Dec 8, 2013 19:47:12 GMT -5
A friend of mine says: "Well, that's the price you pay to be cool." Ya gotta focus on the finished product. I enjoy saw cleanouts about as much as you do.
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Post by Fossilman on Dec 8, 2013 19:57:43 GMT -5
Hardcore doing that in the cold buddy.....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2013 20:21:15 GMT -5
No no no not in the cold. Couldn't do that. In my heated shop soon not to be my shop. Hard to leave it but right now being in a warm place is more important than being in a warm shop. Jim
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Post by ash on Dec 9, 2013 7:48:38 GMT -5
you may have posted this somewhere else, so I apologize in advance if asking a stupid or repetitive question, but what water based lube are you using?
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Post by Sabre52 on Dec 9, 2013 9:23:12 GMT -5
Boy I'm with you on this one Jim. My saw looks like a giant mud pie right now and I'm still trying to build enthusiasm for cleaning it in this cold weather. Stupid Covington is a bee- atch to take apart and reassemble too which does not encourage me much...Mel
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2013 9:49:23 GMT -5
you may have posted this somewhere else, so I apologize in advance if asking a stupid or repetitive question, but what water based lube are you using? I was using mineral oil which is what I am cleaning off. I have switched to Smoky's Easy Cut that I got from JSGems but I could not get all of the oil snot out of the saw before I started with the water based lube. The oil snot was slowly dropping into the bottom tray but it probably would have taken years to get it all out that way. The first cuts with the water based lube were incredibly smooth (shiny) but my carriage is shot and on a long cut the carriage was moving in such a way that it made a curved cut and pinched the hell out of the blade. It was doing the same thing with the oil but I just kept putting off doing something about it. Jim
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Post by ash on Dec 9, 2013 10:33:59 GMT -5
whoa. If you don't mind me asking, do you leave it in the saw when not in use? I have a 10" Covington and that thing eats the oil. I also really like the idea of having the slab come out of a water base solution and not get mineral oil everywhere.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2013 12:03:32 GMT -5
whoa. If you don't mind me asking, do you leave it in the saw when not in use? I have a 10" Covington and that thing eats the oil. I also really like the idea of having the slab come out of a water base solution and not get mineral oil everywhere. The water based lube has rust inhibitors in it so there is no reason to take it out. Plus, this raggedy old saw has so much rust on it that a tad more won't even be noticed. The thing had been sitting for a long time and was pretty much worn out then but I got a couple of years out of it so I figure my $50 investment was well worth it. Now, if I can just make it like new again I will be all set. Jim
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Post by Hard Rock Cafe on Dec 9, 2013 13:58:37 GMT -5
Well, there's an easy solution to the problem of cleaning the muck out of a saw: don't do it! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) I guess that won't work in your case, Jim, since you're switching lubes. For myself, I just scrape and vacuum out the worst of it and add fresh oil. I disassembled and cleaned my 18" once so I could try to stop some minor leaks. The leaks are still there ![>:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/angry.png) , so unless I get really motivated to fix them I'll never completely clean it again. Chuck
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Post by Peruano on Dec 9, 2013 15:05:44 GMT -5
Jim, I realize that you are in a transition phase and need to maximize removal of oil residue. But under normal circumstance I'd say clean your saw a bit more frequently to avoid that undrainable pudding, and forget about getting it totally clean just so you can run a rock through it and "foul" the oil again. I'm assuming thats what Chuck is saying as well. I've always told my wife that when it comes to raking leaves and cleaning the rock saw, I'm an 80% is good enough type of guy. I drain the saw and scrape out the majority of pudding, but don't try to "clean" the saw. When my oil is still in the not so bad stage, I often siphon up a bit from the tank and use it to wash the vice, sled, rail, and platform to wash that pudding down into the settlement area. That allows everything to avoid some of the grit/friction that can cause drag or wear on the moving parts. I've got a new to me Raytec saw (10") that I'm thinking Smokey's stuff is the way to go so I'll probably being going through that transition real soon on this end as well. Good luck. Tom
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Post by 1dave on Dec 9, 2013 20:43:01 GMT -5
Well, there's an easy solution to the problem of cleaning the muck out of a saw: don't do it! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) I guess that won't work in your case, Jim, since you're switching lubes. For myself, I just scrape and vacuum out the worst of it and add fresh oil. I disassembled and cleaned my 18" once so I could try to stop some minor leaks. The leaks are still there ![>:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/angry.png) , so unless I get really motivated to fix them I'll never completely clean it again. Chuck Still have your leaks? Have you tried Permatex? Something like Permatex® Gear Oil RTV Gasket Maker See what is available at your auto repair shops.
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Post by rxscram on Dec 10, 2013 12:16:49 GMT -5
Thanks for the Permatex idea!
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Post by Hard Rock Cafe on Dec 10, 2013 15:53:29 GMT -5
I used JB weld on the obvious holes, used the most oil resistant Permatex product (black something), and made a new plexiglas bottom for the sump and glued that down with Permatex. I still have one or more minor leaks and can't identify the source. I just end up with oil on the bottom side of the sump and keep a bucket underneath the drain.
The previous owner had coated the entire sump with something like roofing tar. That eventually started to break down in the oil. According to John (JSGems), any silicone based sealer will break down in oil, too.
Chuck
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2013 18:32:04 GMT -5
My saw does not have a drain. Everything has to come out of the top or two people can lift the saw out of the pan it sits in then clean the pan. Jim
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Post by christopherl1234 on Dec 10, 2013 18:33:08 GMT -5
I just had to clean out my 18"....uugh....I can feel your pain....glad that is over with...till next time!!
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Post by phil on Dec 11, 2013 12:46:22 GMT -5
Those irritating leaks are probably something seeping under the plastic and finding an old hole. The way we do it is to take it over to the autoshop and have them spray it with truck bed liner like rhino or similar. We bought a 24 inch that after we scraped and cleaned, then wirebrushed again, ended up with thousands of pinholes plus a few larger ones that the previous owner just let the rock crud seal, and of course get worse. Rhino lining, once totally cured, is impervious to oils, and other than it's black in color, works great for sealing a leaky tank. So, if those leaks ever get to be too much or you want to be able to set the saw in a clean place, you might try it. Cost for a 24 inch saw was $125.00.
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Post by Hard Rock Cafe on Dec 11, 2013 13:43:30 GMT -5
The only time I've used the drain on mine was as I was degreasing it. The drain fills with mud so it's useless otherwise. Faster to suck it out with the vac.
Chuck
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Post by Hard Rock Cafe on Dec 11, 2013 13:45:26 GMT -5
Thanks for the tip, Phil. I've got it sitting on plywood for now and the leaks aren't so bad that it is visibly dripping, so for now I'll just leave it alone.
Chuck
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Post by 1dave on Dec 15, 2013 13:34:39 GMT -5
The only time I've used the drain on mine was as I was degreasing it. The drain fills with mud so it's useless otherwise. Faster to suck it out with the vac. Chuck My saw had a 1" drain reduced to half inch with a ninety AND a water tap! Perhaps if I drained and strained every day, but worthless in the real world! I replaced that with an inline 1" ball valve. A 3/4 dowel instantly clears any sludge plugs.
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