njsjadecarver
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Post by njsjadecarver on Jan 3, 2014 12:22:26 GMT -5
New here so I thought I would start out with some photos of my last fossil hunt with my brother.
7days, 3300miles
Goodby!
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herchenx
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Post by herchenx on Jan 3, 2014 13:39:50 GMT -5
Hi and welcome njsjadecarver! One question - did you have access to private land when hunting for that? If so, very cool and congratulations, that is awesome! I love fossils as well, but my vertebrate fossils have all been purchased from reputable sellers. No one here wants anything but good things for any member, so the following is genuinely for your benefit. If you didn't collect those on private land you might want to pull this post, delete the photos and possibly hire a lawyer as vertebrate fossils from public lands are [universally, I think] illegal to collect in the US and can get you some pretty hefty fines and jail time. I hope that isn't the case - if it is you might be able to contact whoever governs the public land, explain what happened and possibly return the fossils(?) |
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njsjadecarver
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Post by njsjadecarver on Jan 3, 2014 14:43:31 GMT -5
Yes they were collected on private land.
Your incredibly snarky reply about "reputable dealers" shows that this is not the type of group I wish to associate with.
I wish you all good luck in your endeavours.
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Post by Fossilman on Jan 3, 2014 15:06:41 GMT -5
He is just being up front towards new members...We don't want to see anyboby get into trouble for hounding,no matter what or where you hound at...
This site is an amazing site for information on most any type of rocks,minerals and or fossils...
I too,also hunt fossils,but mostly invertebrate type....
I do know that you can find and keep parts of dino's(that you find) and the such( in Montana at least) as long as its not as a whole structure...Of course on private land,but the land owner does have first "dibs" on it,if they choose to do so...(His land,his property)...
Don't go away because you feel you were attacked-(you weren't)! Some on here do get into a heated discussion once in awhile,but it all comes out in the wash..
Please stay and enjoy the forum...Thumbs up
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herchenx
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Post by herchenx on Jan 3, 2014 15:19:49 GMT -5
Jade carver don't go, like fossilman said it was not an attack.
I was reading about someone who recently was busted for buying and selling and the whole article talked about shady dealers (versus reputable dealers) which is why I chose that label.
We are friendly here. I tried to be very careful with how I worded my response to your post because I know that there is no "tone" in a post so it can come off as good or bad. It was only well intended, I didn't know anything about you so I couldn't assume you knew about the collecting laws but I certainly didn't want you to feel unwelcome.
I won't change my original response because I don't want to seem like I was covering my tracks, I'll let what I say stand and hopefully it will show that I was trying to help.
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Tommy
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Post by Tommy on Jan 3, 2014 15:20:16 GMT -5
I didn't get to see the pictures but "7-days and 3000 miles" and private property with permission at every stop - one of those things that make me go hrmmm...
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herchenx
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Post by herchenx on Jan 3, 2014 15:37:56 GMT -5
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Don
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Post by Don on Jan 3, 2014 15:50:26 GMT -5
I was going to ask the same thing. Nice fossils, hope they were collected legally. The defensive attitude by the OP makes me think otherwise.
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panamark
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Post by panamark on Jan 3, 2014 17:34:41 GMT -5
Jade carver don't go, like fossilman said it was not an attack. I was reading about someone who recently was busted for buying and selling and the whole article talked about shady dealers (versus reputable dealers) which is why I chose that label. We are friendly here. I tried to be very careful with how I worded my response to your post because I know that there is no "tone" in a post so it can come off as good or bad. It was only well intended, I didn't know anything about you so I couldn't assume you knew about the collecting laws but I certainly didn't want you to feel unwelcome. I won't change my original response because I don't want to seem like I was covering my tracks, I'll let what I say stand and hopefully it will show that I was trying to help. Don't sweat it John. You were trying to be kind and helpful and I thought your post was perfectly fine to that end. The OP had some other touchy issues I guess as I would have appreciated your help. |
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Post by 1dave on Jan 4, 2014 14:45:53 GMT -5
Attitude is everything.
Is the glass half full or shattered to hell?
I know you think you understand what you thought you heard me say, but what you don't realize is what you heard is not what I meant!
"The meaning of your communication is the response you receive."
- Richard Bandler
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Post by jamesp on Jan 4, 2014 22:50:34 GMT -5
Who tinkled in his Wheaties?
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Post by Jugglerguy on Jan 4, 2014 23:30:46 GMT -5
John, I agree with Panamark. Your response was nothing but helpful. I posted some fossil pictures on another website and got a similar warning. I brought a hammer to a local beach and someone told me that I could be fined for using a hammer in that location. I appreciated the information because at the time I had no idea that there were any laws about picking up rocks.
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Post by Rockoonz on Jan 5, 2014 1:42:47 GMT -5
Attitude is everything. Is the glass half full or shattered to hell? I know you think you understand what you thought you heard me say, but what you don't realize is what you heard is not what I meant! "The meaning of your communication is the response you receive." - Richard Bandler If she could be asked, Corine Christensen may feel differently. (about Bandler) The semi anonymous nature of the internet can really skew basic communication and throws common courtesy right out the window. John, you did the right thing to warn him, what he does with it is his own problem. Just my $0.02 Lee #2 |
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Post by 1dave on Jan 6, 2014 9:22:19 GMT -5
"In research conducted at U.C.L.A. and published in 1981, communications expert Albert Mehrabian found that most of the message an audience receives comes from nonverbal cues. Only about 7 percent comes from content."
And here on the web all we have to work with is the 7%
That makes it real easy to be misunderstood, especially by those with a chip on their shoulder to begin with.
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Post by kk on Jan 6, 2014 10:19:27 GMT -5
Don't know whats the deal with the original post. But one thing is for sure, knowingly or not: if I could be liable for something; I would want to know and would welcome any advice given upfront regardless if the advice could be taken as offensive or not (in Johns case; I certainly see it as nothing more than helpful and well-meant advice). Antiques of any kind, fossils, etc..... are always minefields, and besides the often shady backroom-dealers there are lots of pitfalls all along the way. In the meantime, it has come so far that fakes have become better than the originals.  So don't worry John. You can't do right by everyone. Some people will never listen, regardless of intentions. |
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Sabre52
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Post by Sabre52 on Jan 6, 2014 12:42:19 GMT -5
Don't know what the big deal is. I've often given folks warnings or advice about the legality of collecting vertebrate fossils or Amerind artifacts. The Antiquties act and similar restrictions did not use to be a big deal but are taken very seriously now, and I actually had a buddy caught up in an artifact incident that cost him a collection worth many thousands of dollars and hefty fines. I always appreciate a heads up when legal issues might be involved.
That being said, the fossils pictured almost look like diving finds like you'd get in Florida rivers and I see a lot of that stuff at shows. I have no idea about the regulations about that sort of collecting and would be curious to learn.....Mel
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grayfingers
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Post by grayfingers on Jan 6, 2014 13:49:56 GMT -5
Makes me wonder how much of the lapidary quality dino bone is ill-gotten booty.
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Sabre52
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Post by Sabre52 on Jan 6, 2014 17:18:03 GMT -5
Gray, I've always wondered about that too. I did talk to a guy many years ago at Quartzite who had massive quantities of dino bone. He told me all his and much other bone you see at shows comes from just a couple of sites on big private ranches in Colorado. Don't know it that's true or not but I suppose, if one had a big dino quarry on their ranch, it would make a heck of a business if one were to sell just the loose bones with no known associations with a particular skeleton. I also expect a lot of bone for sale was collected way back in the forties when the lapidary hobby first started and no one actually was enforcing much of any laws at all out in the badlands.....Mel
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2014 18:12:40 GMT -5
It appears he doesn't want to hang with ethical folks who know the law.
I wonder why?
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