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Post by rockjunquie on Jan 25, 2014 14:25:07 GMT -5
Here is a list of what I have or will have. Not all is absolutely necessary, some I know from experience are wants. I also have a short list of odds and ends to still get.
I'm posting this for others to see who may be starting or thinking of starting this and to get some input as to what I might have missed.
Torch - Smith's Handi Heet acetylene with 0 and 00 tips seperately
tank wrench and key
foredom with accesories and an inverted cone bur and a round edge wheel bur for cleaning inside bezel cups
a tube cutter for cutting bezel wire at 90 degrees
jeweler's saw
bur life
saw blades
#2 flat file, #4 flat file
needle files
2 small Fretz presicion hammers for detail work
muslin wheels
felt wheels- round and knife edge for foredom
white diamong rouge
bobbing compound
burnisher set
bezel roller, prong pusher set
solder cutting pliers- not neccasary but I got tired of snipping sheet solder
a set of solder with stacked cups
assorted finishing papers
400 grit wet dry paper
sanding sponges
ring mandrel holder- because I have always wanted one
tweezer assortment for soldering
dividers
radial bristle brushes
charcoal block
bench pin and holder
revolving pumice pan
solder picks
handy flux
metal shears
nylon hammer
rawhide mallet
ball pien hammer
planishing hammer
small raising hammer- not sure of hammer names, yet
steel block with wood base
rubber block base for steel block
2 small anvils- one I bought, one a gift- each a little different
shot plate for fancy beading
vise
ring mandrel - 2 sizes
made a large sanding stick with 400 grit
made a soldering donut/bun with 16g copper
made small sanding sticks with micromesh
all various handtools for wire wrapping
tumbler Lortone 3a
pickle pot
pickle
assorted books and videos
This is all I can think of. I probably forgot stuff.
Here is my list of stuff to get.
2 inch engineer's square
torch holder for bench
t pins
parallel pliers
file card and brush
Prip's flux
automatic center punch- cause they're cool
brass mallet
twist bit set
PH down - for pickle after I use what I have
center finder
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Post by 1dave on Jan 25, 2014 15:13:40 GMT -5
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Post by jamesp on Jan 25, 2014 15:17:47 GMT -5
It takes a lot. Your list looks comprehensive. The challenge is organizing as Dave mentioned.
Bet you have it neat and orderly before it is all over.
You will have too much fun. I have seen your work. Tools are great. But only some people can make them dance.
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Post by rockjunquie on Jan 25, 2014 16:52:45 GMT -5
Ummmm.... trouble already! I can't find some earrings that I was planning to list on Etsy. 2 Pair- lost in the shuffle.
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Post by steelandstone on Jan 25, 2014 17:07:01 GMT -5
That is a heck of a list and covers just about all the start-up stuff you should need. Below is just a few items I find that I use a lot. I know you listed radial bristle brushes but I use these a lot as you can use them around most stones to do touch up once they are set without scratching them Pumice WheelsAnd these little guys come in handy for hard to reach areas. Polishing PinsI see you have a tumbler on the list also. I would suggest a lb. or two of this mixed Stainless Steel shot S/S Shotand some of this Burnishing CompoundAfter my pieces are all done and ready to have the stones set they all get a 6-8 hour run in the tumbler with the above shot and solution prior to setting the stones. It helps clean, burnish, and work harden the pieces. Other than that Pliers, Pliers, Pliers. You are well on your way. Congrats |
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Post by steelandstone on Jan 25, 2014 17:22:34 GMT -5
Oh and I would also suggest a no. 1 tip for your torch also. That is the size we use for just about everything except small stuff.
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Post by Pat on Jan 25, 2014 19:45:35 GMT -5
Aye, aye , aye! What a list! I like your style.
Re tube cutter: I just bought a small heavy aluminum? mitre box that will cut tubes at 45 and at 90 degree angles.
Re bur life: I use candles
I don't know what a "set of solder with stacked cups" is. What's the cup thing?
Bracelet mandrels and holders are also handy --- round and ovalish. I've used a metal baseball bat, but I think the oval mandrels are better.
I'd add a wood block with inner tube rubber glued on one side. Good for using when applying hammer to make texture
For pickle pots, we use the mini pots from Bed Bath and Beyond
You can make solder picks from bicycle spokes and a wooden dowel
Re center finder: I could use one of those! Do you recommend yours? I've been drawing the biggest square I could on the piece, then penciling in a line on the diagonals. I need one.
I use the half-round file quite a bit.
I recommend a long apron for protection and to catch the runaways, and a covered glass for water for you to drink. Good lighting.
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Post by rockjunquie on Jan 25, 2014 20:00:42 GMT -5
That is a heck of a list and covers just about all the start-up stuff you should need. Below is just a few items I find that I use a lot. I know you listed radial bristle brushes but I use these a lot as you can use them around most stones to do touch up once they are set without scratching them Pumice WheelsAnd these little guys come in handy for hard to reach areas. Polishing PinsI see you have a tumbler on the list also. I would suggest a lb. or two of this mixed Stainless Steel shot S/S Shotand some of this Burnishing CompoundAfter my pieces are all done and ready to have the stones set they all get a 6-8 hour run in the tumbler with the above shot and solution prior to setting the stones. It helps clean, burnish, and work harden the pieces. Other than that Pliers, Pliers, Pliers. You are well on your way. Congrats Thanks! I'm getting pins and pumice wheels with the foredom. I've never used the pins before. I've never used burnishing compound before, either. I already tumble polish my wire wraps, though- with Dawn. The number one tip came with the torch. And- I am the queen of pliers.  |
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Post by rockjunquie on Jan 25, 2014 20:09:07 GMT -5
Aye, aye , aye! What a list! I like your style. Re tube cutter: I just bought a small heavy aluminum? mitre box that will cut tubes at 45 and at 90 degree angles. Re bur life: I use candles I don't know what a "set of solder with stacked cups" is. What's the cup thing? Bracelet mandrels and holders are also handy --- round and ovalish. I've used a metal baseball bat, but I think the oval mandrels are better. I'd add a wood block with inner tube rubber glued on one side. Good for using when applying hammer to make texture For pickle pots, we use the mini pots from Bed Bath and Beyond You can make solder picks from bicycle spokes and a wooden dowel Re center finder: I could use one of those! Do you recommend yours? I've been drawing the biggest square I could on the piece, then penciling in a line on the diagonals. I need one. I use the half-round file quite a bit. I recommend a long apron for protection and to catch the runaways, and a covered glass for water for you to drink. Good lighting. Thank you I can use DH's mini aluminum miter box if I need it. I got the hand help small tube cutter. It's really cool and lets you cut 90's in all kinds of wire and tubes. I should have mentioned that I have a bracelet mandrel and a neck mandrel. I haven't used either one in forever, in fact they are packed away. I have one of those little dip crock pots, but I can see it is too small for some things. Bicycle spokes- good one! And, rubber on a block. Yes, I need to add half round. I'll use candle wax or beeswax after I use up my little pot of bur life. The center finder was DH's when he used his mini lathe. He doesn't use it anymore and I haven't used it, yet. It's a cheap plastic one, but he likes it. Rio sells a set of extra easy, easy, medium, and hard silver solder sheets with a set of stacking screw top cups. I thought they would be very handy and I needed the solder anyway, sooooo... |
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Post by steelandstone on Jan 25, 2014 20:16:10 GMT -5
Thanks! I'm getting pins and pumice wheels with the foredom. I've never used the pins before. I've never used burnishing compound before, either. I already tumble polish my wire wraps, though- with Dawn. The number one tip came with the torch. And- I am the queen of pliers. Good deal on the No.1 tip you will use that one a lot. Your new name may be tooljunkie but mine could easily be plierjunkie, if I had my way I would own one of just about every one in the rio tool book. |
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Post by radio on Jan 25, 2014 20:43:53 GMT -5
WOW! That's quite a list!   You have things on there that I don't have at my disposal and I have a retail shop! One thing you might try is buying some ez and/or medium wire solder and use small side cutters to make short snips a couple of mm long. I can pick up a piece out of my solder cup very easily with crosslock tweezers without it flying across the table like sheet snippets do |
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Post by rockjunquie on Jan 26, 2014 15:26:10 GMT -5
WOW! That's quite a list! You have things on there that I don't have at my disposal and I have a retail shop! One thing you might try is buying some ez and/or medium wire solder and use small side cutters to make short snips a couple of mm long. I can pick up a piece out of my solder cup very easily with crosslock tweezers without it flying across the table like sheet snippets do Since I have little experience, I thought I would try the sheet. I already had silver and copper wire. I'm thinking I like the wire better, but I need to use what I have before I get some more wire and that might be awhile. |
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Post by radio on Jan 26, 2014 15:46:29 GMT -5
WOW! That's quite a list! You have things on there that I don't have at my disposal and I have a retail shop! One thing you might try is buying some ez and/or medium wire solder and use small side cutters to make short snips a couple of mm long. I can pick up a piece out of my solder cup very easily with crosslock tweezers without it flying across the table like sheet snippets do Since I have little experience, I thought I would try the sheet. I already had silver and copper wire. I'm thinking I like the wire better, but I need to use what I have before I get some more wire and that might be awhile. Try to resist the urge to use 6 inch long pieces of wire solder and touching the end of it to the piece you are soldering. until you have a lot of practice, you will get a LOT more solder than needed, plus it gets expensive using unnecessary amounts of it. When I solder twisted wire or embellishments around the outside of the bezel I run a good bit of solder all around, otherwise it's snippets for me |
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Post by 1dave on Jan 26, 2014 23:01:20 GMT -5
Tip: Use your scrap silver for design embellishment as you go. Look through it often.
Heat ends of short scraps of wire to make grapes, trimmed sheet into leaves, or twisted and 1/2-3/4 melted, or melted and dropped in water or on ice cube produce dramatic accents not made any other way.
You won't end up with a box of scrap silver you end up selling at a loss.
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Post by radio on Jan 26, 2014 23:10:10 GMT -5
Tip: Use your scrap silver for design embellishment as you go. Look through it often. Heat ends of short scraps of wire to make grapes, trimmed sheet into leaves, or twisted and 1/2-3/4 melted, or melted and dropped in water or on ice cube produce dramatic accents not made any other way. You won't end up with a box of scrap silver you end up selling at a loss. Monster Slayer will pay 75% of spot for scrap if you take store credit. They pay 60% if you opt for cash |
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Post by 1dave on Jan 26, 2014 23:26:00 GMT -5
I have bought a lot of scrap from other silversmiths, never sold any, but I do have some chunks that I will have to refine because of gobs of solder. Yuck!
Electrolysis or acids and precipitate. Not enough to worry about yet.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 23:31:04 GMT -5
Monster Slayer will pay 75% of spot for scrap if you take store credit. They pay 60% if you opt for cash The precious metals refineries only take 10% (or less). Why would you pay more? Here is an example www.dhfco.com/calculator.htmThere are SCORES of similar businesses and likely your monster slayer is using one or more of them. So should you. 1dave do we need a thread on recovering precious metals? |
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Post by 1dave on Jan 26, 2014 23:42:54 GMT -5
]Monster Slayer will pay 75% of spot for scrap if you take store credit. They pay 60% if you opt for cash The precious metals refineries only take 10% (or less). Why would you pay more? Here is an example www.dhfco.com/calculator.htmThere are SCORES of similar businesses and likely your monster slayer is using one or more of them. So should you. 1dave do we need a thread on recovering precious metals? Scott, I did one way back when the West was young and these stories were new. Remember: forum.rocktumblinghobby.com/thread/62873/refining-silverOh, that is not exactly the same as "recovering precious metals." I've been thinking about an article on Assaying, but that will take lots of pages. Do you think "our public" could hack them? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 23:50:47 GMT -5
Do you think "our public" could hack them? I am not sure what you mean by this query. Perhaps I should have said "precious metals recycling". |
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Post by 1dave on Jan 27, 2014 0:01:42 GMT -5
Do you think "our public" could hack them? I am not sure what you mean by this query. Perhaps I should have said "precious metals recycling". 1. Would RTH members be bored out of their skulls? 2. YES! Go for it!!!!!!!!! |
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You have things on there that I don't have at my disposal and I have a retail shop!
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