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Post by iant on Feb 5, 2014 3:32:57 GMT -5
I was about to say, I like the look of No.12 but you beat me to it! :-)
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Post by jamesp on Feb 5, 2014 6:39:45 GMT -5
My eyes must be deceiving me. I thought I saw the number 10.
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Post by sheltie on Feb 5, 2014 9:42:45 GMT -5
Ha, bucket b!itch, lol! Five bucks for parking is cheap! The most likely place in SD for a dog dogs was would be the fairgrounds. Parking last time I was up there was $9!! James, do the dog owners or handlers get cut-throat? I mean, like parents of little league or pop warner kids? Or even soccer moms! I can see how they want their "kids" to win, lol. But I also understand how winning is beneficial to the producing kennel. When I first started showing dogs it cost $7 per entry per show (normally 2-4 days, each day sponsored by a different kennel club). Now it costs upward of $20. My wife and I were one of the few straight couples who showed dogs, at least 1/2 were gay. I have no idea if that is the same today but I don't know why it would change. As far as the owners or handlers getting cut-throat, that isn't the 1/2 of it. The professional handlers - those who make their living from showing dogs - really frown on those who aren't. Many are ok but there are plenty who will do anything, even something illegal, in order to win. Their salaries are based on a base plus incentives such as winning Winners Dog/Bitch, placing in Group, or Best in Show. Top handlers make over six figures per year. There is a t of time, effort and money that goes into showing dogs. We lost several thousand dollars every year as our only income from the dogs was using the dogs (males) as studs or selling puppies from the litters we had. We normally had 3-4 litters of 3-6 Shelties a year. Everything we did was for the dogs. I had a kennel built when we moved into our house in north Texas that was certainly a professional set-up. Our dog runs were both open to the elements and covered for inclement weather. Our vehicles were bought for the dogs, i.e., motorhome to take them to shows, SUV to haul them to vets, etc. The equipment needed to maintain the appearance of the dogs was also very expensive. I could go on and on but that should give you a little idea about the world of showing dogs. I miss it but I don't miss either the politics involved or the expense of doing it.
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Post by jamesp on Feb 5, 2014 14:23:23 GMT -5
When I first started showing dogs it cost $7 per entry per show (normally 2-4 days, each day sponsored by a different kennel club). Now it costs upward of $20. My wife and I were one of the few straight couples who showed dogs, at least 1/2 were gay. I have no idea if that is the same today but I don't know why it would change. Read more: forum.rocktumblinghobby.com/thread/64164/large-dog-show?page=2&scrollTo=725163#ixzz2sTbTfWFVIt is the same song and dance as you described the dog show world. Exactly. We do manage to clear money on the litters since the price of Rhodesian Ridgebacks has gone up. And big litters too. One year we had two litters. Others just one. Her dogs throw 13-17 pups so we do OK. She co-owns so many dogs living in other homes. Then she sells the bitch with an agreement that she can breed her or if they breed her she gets a puppy back for free or even both. And the males she demands stud rights if he is worthy. That way the dogs live in a house as a member of the family and is not a kennel dog. She has a male now that is stud muffin and is in high demand. We laugh because he always throws big 13-17 puppy litters. Which is just the way it happened since the female dictates numbers of puppies, they say. That many puppies is a work out. Sounds like you guys made a good time of it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2014 18:10:37 GMT -5
Mammalian fecundity is indeed tied to high egg production in the female.
However, in many highly inbred organisms (pure bred dogs qualify) male sperm counts are low enough that even if the bitch is fecund not all of the eggs get fertilized. Put the same bitch with a different male and she makes less babies.
It happens in snakes & lizards too.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2014 18:13:54 GMT -5
Yeah, I wouldn't mind making some sort of mating arrangement with #12.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Feb 5, 2014 18:17:34 GMT -5
Silly boys...
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Post by jamesp on Feb 5, 2014 20:53:48 GMT -5
Mammalian fecundity is indeed tied to high egg production in the female. However, in many highly inbred organisms (pure bred dogs qualify) male sperm counts are low enough that even if the bitch is fecund not all of the eggs get fertilized. Put the same bitch with a different male and she makes less babies. It happens in snakes & lizards too. You are right Scott. Of course, a male w/bad sperm will not make any pups.
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Post by jamesp on Feb 5, 2014 20:58:12 GMT -5
I must be blind. All i saw was a 10. I guess i wasn't looking at her arm. My wife saw that gal and told Edith i would notice her.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Feb 6, 2014 9:57:57 GMT -5
I guess i wasn't looking at her arm. Obviously... Since you were forced to go (drug there, kicking and screaming), glad you had a good time and that your bitch did well.
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Post by jamesp on Feb 6, 2014 11:39:24 GMT -5
The dog show is a funny thing. Mostly the people. They really seem to have a good time.
That #12 girl keeps lingering ( lingerie ing) around on this post.
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Post by 1dave on Feb 9, 2014 8:19:41 GMT -5
It is a good thing most dogs are patient and forgiving and willing to put up with us.
My BF in Austin Texas had a cat that loved to park on the stoop above the garbage cans out back.He would pile off onto the backs of any dogs that came around and run them out of the neighborhood.
I watched him one day get chased by a big German police dog. The cat ran about 3 steps, timed it just right, then spun around and grabbed the startled dog (desperately sliding to a stop) by the nose and hauling him in. The battle was over before it began and the dog disappeared in a flash.
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Post by jamesp on Feb 10, 2014 17:43:32 GMT -5
It is a good thing most dogs are patient and forgiving and willing to put up with us. My BF in Austin Texas had a cat that loved to park on the stoop above the garbage cans out back.He would pile off onto the backs of any dogs that came around and run them out of the neighborhood. I watched him one day get chased by a big German police dog. The cat ran about 3 steps, timed it just right, then spun around and grabbed the startled dog (desperately sliding to a stop) by the nose and hauling him in. The battle was over before it began and the dog disappeared in a flash. The trick to a cat is to tackle it and never put the brakes on. I had a Bull Terrier that would just smash into coons and cats and kill them for the hell of it. I gotta have cats to keep the field rats/mice at bay and he drove me crazy trying and often succeeding at killing my cats. I had 3 hounds and one coon was drawing blood on all 3 of them and the bull terrier finally caught up with them and body tackled that coon and killed it instantly. It is just in their blood.
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Post by pghram on Feb 10, 2014 23:32:22 GMT -5
When KK said things were super sized, I had no idea he was talking about the cameras :>) I fact, I didn't even see any cameras!
Rich
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Post by jamesp on Feb 10, 2014 23:44:30 GMT -5
When KK said things were super sized, I had no idea he was talking about the cameras :>) I fact, I didn't even see any cameras! Rich kk wasn't talking about the camera Rich. I know kk better than that.
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