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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Jul 18, 2014 6:57:23 GMT -5
I am so bummed to hear this but our local rock club got squeezed out of their location by rising rent costs. The club members will continue to gather at a local library but no more clubhouse full of equipment. This is a huge bummer for me and my boys since that's where our whole "working with rocks" experience got started. Anyway here's a list of what will be going into the sale next weekend "We are having a final garage sale on Saturday, July 26. It starts at 12 noon ends at 5 p.m. Here are some of the items up for sale... 6" and 8" vertical grinding wheels. Lots of rocks, slabs. Older 8" horizontal grinding machines. Trim saws. Findings. cd-dvd cases. Safety glasses. Chairs. Tables. Shop Vac. Coat racks. Magazines. Large metal storage cabinets. Parts cabinets. Polishing machines. Many old and newer motors. Multiple barrel tumbling machine. Tumbling grits. Dop pot. 50" Panasonic TV. Pop. Water. Refrigerator. Display Cabinet. Desks. Book shelves. Much more. 44314 Macomb Industrial Drive, Clinton Twp, MI, 48036"Chuck
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Post by Jugglerguy on Jul 18, 2014 7:43:49 GMT -5
That's a real bummer. As I hear of more people in this area a who are interesting in rocks, I've thought it would be great to get a club started. But then I realize how expensive that would be to have a place to meet and a bunch of equipment. I've wondered how clubs like yours get started and stay funded without being too expensive for members to join. I guess it's as difficult as I imagined.
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Post by DirtCleaner on Jul 18, 2014 7:48:57 GMT -5
Sorry about the closing. About 11 hour drive for me so I won't be able to attend. If the jewelry findings go unsold let me know and depending what is there I may be interested in them.
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Jul 18, 2014 7:50:54 GMT -5
Jugglerguy - yeah its very expensive to keep it going. member dues do not cover much at all. most of the revenue was from the rock and gem shows they hosted and from fundraisers like poker nights. Chuck
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Post by Jugglerguy on Jul 18, 2014 7:53:36 GMT -5
I'm trying to imagine how lapidary club poker goes. "I'll call your jasper and raise an agate."
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Post by 1dave on Jul 18, 2014 8:33:23 GMT -5
This is an ongoing problem. Members get older, prices go up, people die, and if we don't get new young members involved . . .
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Post by rockjunquie on Jul 18, 2014 8:50:44 GMT -5
This is an ongoing problem. Members get older, prices go up, people die, and if we don't get new young members involved . . . Same for my husband's hobby. It's a dying craft- building (sci fi) models from scratch. Yes, it used to be a thriving community, but the numbers are dwindling away. I believe that in this day and age people are more interested in electronics to pass the time.
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Post by rockjunquie on Jul 18, 2014 8:52:05 GMT -5
Sorry to hear this, Chuck. What a bummer.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 8:55:08 GMT -5
This is a shame.. The youth of today would rather spend time on their iPads or buy something that is all ready made (via china etc).. I would like to continue my/this hobby myself.. but our local gem cutters society is locate down town Baltimore.. which we are not willing to drive to or through. These things we enjoy as older adults the youth of today take for granted.. they are not willing to learn a skill or trade that is slowly becoming lost. My issue is that my hands can no longer hold the items I wish to craft.. thou I have attempted to create my own gigs nothing was working and being self taught.. and getting frustrated.. I simply sold all my equipment. Yet My wife and I do frequent the gem mines (poor mans sluicing through seeded buckets) we do not tour the actual gem mine any more because of all the stooping or straining. What I do not understand in this post.. if a club as all these members, there isn't one or many that will step up and take on the storage of the equipment or offer his own garage etc for the club house.. Unless the club members just are not willing to share their experiences and teach the youth.. Because after-all it is a trade and many simply do not wish to reveal a few of their own tricks that might "one up" the other artisan. In this case I would contact other clubs around the area.. or donate these items to a local school/collage etc.. Which brings up another point.. many collages have the facilities to store and have your classes within the halls of the community collages..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 10:09:32 GMT -5
This is an ongoing problem. Members get older, prices go up, people die, and if we don't get new young members involved . . . This is so correct I can't express myself properly. I took kidlet to my local club and was told she can't stay in the room near the machines. No she cannot polish a geode on the flat lap, no she cannot watch me saw a geode in half at the tile saw. All she wanted to do was have a geode she polished herself. Later that got reversed. Her interest has faded.
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Post by nowyo on Jul 21, 2014 0:17:10 GMT -5
That sucks. Hope you all can figure something out, but that is the way it goes.
Shotgunner said Two items of note here. Both of the gentlemen quoted above are correct, and for the same but different reasons, not really related to lapidary stuff.
Two of my other main interests besides messing with rocks are hunting and fishing. Get it? I like being outdoors, and while some things outdoors are more fun than others, i.e., fishing is more fun than cutting firewood, they are all outdoors. The problem was that I couldn't get the older guys to take me along because that was their time away from the wife and kids. A lot of interest in anything outdoors was lost in the '60's, '70's because of that.
In the case Shotgunner relates, someone with a Napoleon complex killed the interest in a kid. Unpardonable.
In my case, I was just stubborn and went hunting, fishing, and messing with rocks on my own. Took a while but finally figured some stuff out. By the time I was in my mid twenties, all the older guys wanted me to go along because they wanted someone to row the boat or drag the dead deer or carry the rocks. Told 'em to stuff it.
Not saying any of you are guilty of the above sins, but it's something that has stuck in my craw for, oh, going on 50 years.
By the jeebus, if any of you know a kid that shows an interest in anything outdoors or science related, give him/her all the encouragement you can. I know I've taken kids fishing 30 years ago when they were 8 or 10, they lost interest in their teens and twenties, but they now are back at it harder than ever. Can't just blame the current generation for their fixation with electronic gizmos because I know people in their 50's who freak out if they get out of cell phone range. (And gps readings? I piss on gps readings from a considerable height. If you can't read a damn map, then stay home.) The interest in all of our outside interests has been killed over the last couple of generations or so. I'm certainly not calling anyone out here, just hoping some folks will step up and help reverse the trend. I fear it's much to late though.
Sorry for the little rant.
Russ
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Post by Rockoonz on Jul 21, 2014 1:43:19 GMT -5
I am experiencing a similar phenomenon. When voting whether or not to keep the clubs lap shop 80% vote yes even though it runs at a loss. We had to move it to a new even more expensive location and again the yes votes are overwhelming. Send around a sign up sheet for people to help move the shop and I get a dozen helpers out of a club of over 170, and the same members who always help. Ask for people to run the shop and nobody wants to other than the handful of faithful users who will no longer be paying users if they host sessions, and most of them are not ready to teach or run a saw anyway. The members who have a wealth of knowledge to pass on are seldom willing to teach a class. I just found out that the new shop clerk is in town for 6 more months, and in her late 20's she is one of the youngest members of the club and the biggest proponent for the shop. I can't do it as a 1 man show so I suspect we may be having our own sale soon.
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Post by Jugglerguy on Jul 21, 2014 9:00:22 GMT -5
Russ, I can understand most of what you wrote, although I haven't experienced much of the selfish behavior you describe. I think around here, a lot of adults are willing to take kids out with them hunting or fishing. I don't agree with your view on gps though. I have a teenage daughter who got into geocaching through a friend's dad. We bought her a gps for Christmas a few years ago and we've had a lot of fun exploring areas we would never had found if not for geocaching. Personally, I don't enjoy searching around the woods for a plastic jug full of stuff, but they're usually hidden in some very interesting areas. If a kid can mix electronics and outdoors, what's the harm? Actually, by using this forum, we're doing the same thing. A few rock related geocache pictures: Allison and Grandma sitting on a mountain of jaspelite: Stromatolite by Allison's knee: Cool karst formation in the woods that we would have never known about except for geocaching:
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Post by nowyo on Jul 21, 2014 11:18:34 GMT -5
Good to hear from you, Rob. I'm just a cranky old Luddite, I guess. I've never understood geocaching, but if it gets you all out in the woods I guess it's a good thing. Reckon that gps is a tool, but people seem to rely on their gadgets more and more and their thinking less and less. Good on you for getting her out there. I guess I'll just wander around with my topo map and compass and kick at the rocks. It's all good.
I pretty much gave up on clubs and such a long time ago due to the stuff Lee mentions. Everybody wants to go to the party but the same little group always ends up doing all the work.
Russ
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Jul 21, 2014 12:04:49 GMT -5
Everybody wants to go to the party but the same little group always ends up doing all the work. Russ Amen brother. truer words have never been spoken.The sad part is that once these things go away they will probably never come back. Our club was responsible for getting my boys involved at around 9 yrs old by teaching classes for the elementary schools science events. My wife took the boys to the clubhouse for a couple years as pebble pups before I took interest and as most of you know I got snagged hook line and sinker. Hopefully our club will continue to at least stay organized and have their meetings in the local library and still host the rock and gem shows etc. Only time will tell I suppose. Chuck
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Post by Tom on Jul 21, 2014 15:58:43 GMT -5
The end of the club is sad news indeed! We are lucky that our club is in a city building and rent is cheap (although it likely should be condemned). What everyone is saying is true though, very few young people want to get involved with rocks. We have one mom and her 12 year old son come out and occasionally the odd teen shows up, but all in all it is older people. For a small club we are doing pretty well, dues are $20 per year each or $30 per family. Every Saturday for 8 months of the year we have crabbing classes and silver smith classes for $5 each plus material if you need any. Pretty darn reasonable I would say.
But if some younger people don't get involved it will die as well. We have great people in the club that share knowledge willingly, I am usually there each Saturday teaching what I can about cabbing. Just wish there was more youth involved. As of now we are still on a positive cash flow and should be ok for several years EXCEPT if we loose our building as in what happened to Chuck, then things would be up in the air.
Anyway, sorry to hear about your club having to shut the doors.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 21:08:37 GMT -5
Good to hear from you, Rob. I'm just a cranky old Luddite, I guess. I've never understood geocaching, but if it gets you all out in the woods I guess it's a good thing. Reckon that gps is a tool, but people seem to rely on their gadgets more and more and their thinking less and less. Good on you for getting her out there. I guess I'll just wander around with my topo map and compass and kick at the rocks. It's all good. I pretty much gave up on clubs and such a long time ago due to the stuff Lee mentions. Everybody wants to go to the party but the same little group always ends up doing all the work. Russ Geocaching is a way to allow people to continue using technology BUT get off their ass and go outside. We met some lifelong friends Geocaching.Kidlet now would rather live in a city, use subways, and rather NOT go hiking, except with one buddy whose enthusiasm is infectious. BTW, Russ, your Napoleon syndrome analysis could NOT have been more spot on. I rarely go to class anymore, partly because that itch-bay is so happy being "in charge" she feels the need to stick her authority in places where no authority is called for.
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Post by phil on Jul 22, 2014 17:32:53 GMT -5
I am so bummed to hear this but our local rock club got squeezed out of their location by rising rent costs. The club members will continue to gather at a local library but no more clubhouse full of equipment. This is a huge bummer for me and my boys since that's where our whole "working with rocks" experience got started. Anyway here's a list of what will be going into the sale next weekend "We are having a final garage sale on Saturday, July 26. It starts at 12 noon ends at 5 p.m. Here are some of the items up for sale... 6" and 8" vertical grinding wheels. Lots of rocks, slabs. Older 8" horizontal grinding machines. Trim saws. Findings. cd-dvd cases. Safety glasses. Chairs. Tables. Shop Vac. Coat racks. Magazines. Large metal storage cabinets. Parts cabinets. Polishing machines. Many old and newer motors. Multiple barrel tumbling machine. Tumbling grits. Dop pot. 50" Panasonic TV. Pop. Water. Refrigerator. Display Cabinet. Desks. Book shelves. Much more. 44314 Macomb Industrial Drive, Clinton Twp, MI, 48036"Chuck Got a Lortone 14 inch drop saw?
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Jul 22, 2014 18:39:48 GMT -5
I am so bummed to hear this but our local rock club got squeezed out of their location by rising rent costs. The club members will continue to gather at a local library but no more clubhouse full of equipment. This is a huge bummer for me and my boys since that's where our whole "working with rocks" experience got started. Anyway here's a list of what will be going into the sale next weekend "We are having a final garage sale on Saturday, July 26. It starts at 12 noon ends at 5 p.m. Here are some of the items up for sale... 6" and 8" vertical grinding wheels. Lots of rocks, slabs. Older 8" horizontal grinding machines. Trim saws. Findings. cd-dvd cases. Safety glasses. Chairs. Tables. Shop Vac. Coat racks. Magazines. Large metal storage cabinets. Parts cabinets. Polishing machines. Many old and newer motors. Multiple barrel tumbling machine. Tumbling grits. Dop pot. 50" Panasonic TV. Pop. Water. Refrigerator. Display Cabinet. Desks. Book shelves. Much more. 44314 Macomb Industrial Drive, Clinton Twp, MI, 48036"Chuck Got a Lortone 4 inch drop saw? the club does not have any drop saws. There is one for sale locally but man those would be a pain to ship detroit.craigslist.org/okl/for/4509696905.htmlChuck
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