jamesp
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Post by jamesp on Sept 26, 2014 9:40:20 GMT -5
Glenn, I have 4 different barrel diameters and 5 different speeds. That is 20 combinations. From 12 to 60 RPM and many points in-between. Believe me, I experiment heavily. Only been seriously tumbling for 3 years. I am a new member relatively speaking.
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unclesoska
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Post by unclesoska on Sept 26, 2014 9:47:39 GMT -5
I'm thinkin' CaC also. The explosive force just might break those rocks down faster! Good call Scott!
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Post by rockpickerforever on Sept 26, 2014 10:43:26 GMT -5
I realize that and i am fully aware that everyone knows the process... I have used the process for many years since my first 3 lb tumbler.. You've used the process for many years? Define "many." There's folks on here been tumbling before you were a gleam in your daddy's eye. Some even twice and three times as long as you have walked this earth.
Calcium carbide - you talking miner's headlamps stuff? Yeah, boy, just add some water and..... Maybe throw some flint into the tumbler as well for ignition. (Yeah, just kidding. I know it won't spark when wet - darn. Could've been fun.)
Your stubbornness and attitude won't help you in this field, maybe you could be a politician? They don't like hearing the truth, either.
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Post by glennz01 on Sept 26, 2014 10:57:25 GMT -5
You may be great at tumbling and have done it for 60 years using the same method... without trying other methods / materials how do you know that your (and the standard) method is the best and there are no methods that are better than that method. experience is good... but just because you have the most experience doesn't mean you are the best at it... If i didn't know what i was doing i would not have bought a 40 lb capacity tumbler, it would just be a money drainer. With rock cutting anyone with or without experience can put a rock in a vice, turn the machine on, have autofeed cut the rock... and you will not be able to tell the difference between a beginners cut and someone who has been cutting for 70 years... the only experience in cutting is knowing where and what angle to cut the rock to get the best design.. and possibly cutting large rocks on a 10 inch saw only by using your hands to feed the rock through like some people do. Man, I guess being humble is out of the question haha? Maybe you dont realize that some of the things you are saying are insulting but to insinuate anyone can cut perfect slabs no experience necessary is insulting. You say theres no difference between a beginners cut and a cut made by someone cutting for 70yrs but i disagree. For example, in your slabbing thread the green rock in your lastest pic clearly has a large edge on it. To me that would be a sign of a less experienced saw operator versus an experienced saw operator. And do you really think someone who has been tumbling rocks for many years hasnt experimented with a ton of techniques? C'mon now.. Trial and error is how these tried and true methods were realized. What i read from above statements is that i should not post these sort of things and just keep it all to myself... or at least most of the information.. at least thats what being humble implies. As for my saw edges on the slabs, with a gravity fed system like mine you will almost always get breakouts like those sue to the pressure on the rock by the blade... unless you can hold the vice and rock to slow it down at the end which would be extremely messy.. As for the carbide i am going based on what the guy who gave it to me said, but if i had to guess it probably is tungsten carbide
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2014 11:16:41 GMT -5
What i read from above statements is that i should not post these sort of things and just keep it all to myself... or at least most of the information.. at least thats what being humble implies. No, not so much. from google Being humble isn't "not posting". Being humble is respecting those that came before you. Being humble is: not coming across as a snotty little know it all.[More friendly encouragement] Why don't you spend a little bit of time reading jamesp's posts about his experimentations in tumbling his corals 1, 2, 3 (there are dozens more) and most recently obsidian/glass. Not once did he claim to be "better" or "making improvements" on age old techniques. But he has done a cr@pload of experimentation and shown both his methods and his results in amazing details. He asks questions too. Nobody got upset with him. "Why"; you ask? Because of his approach to the very same thing you are trying to do. He says, "here is what I tried" and "here is what I found". Oh and he he has reported some failures too. He is no god. He is a humble man who enjoys the terrific friendships of many folks here, all because we have a similar hobby and share our experiences. He just doesn't make proclamation in the manner in which you seem quite comfortable. You dont have to pay attention to his results. But do pay special attention to his approach. Keep in mind, you stepped into an established arena. One with a lot of memories and histories and friends. You came here and stepped all over that and proclaimed your superiority. Framed in this way, does this seem like a wise approach? [/More friendly encouragement] You have just enough charm to not be simply and seriously told off. Spend it wisely. My work is finished.
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Post by captbob on Sept 26, 2014 11:22:16 GMT -5
I realize that and i am fully aware that everyone knows the process... I have used the process for many years since my first 3 lb tumbler.. Dude... you're 19 years old. Many years of tumbling? I've yet to see a single picture of a rock which you have tumbled worth bragging about. With time and practice that may come, but it's not quite time to be doing a lot of crowing. If i didn't know what i was doing i would not have bought a 40 lb capacity tumbler, it would just be a money drainer. Sorry, but I believe that not knowing what you are doing is EXACTLY why you bought a 40 pound tumbler. You post of being broke college student, asking people to send you free stuff (like in your "museum") yet you buy a 40 pound tumbler which you don't seem to have near enough rocks to fill for one batch, much less continuous use. I have TONS of rough rock, enough buckets of grit to build a decent wall with and call myself retired so I have a whole lot more free time than you do, and I wouldn't want to have to feed and tend to a 40 pound tumbler. Well, okay, I would, BUT - I have the time and money to do so. What tumblers do you have to back up the 40 pounder, just the one ar-12? Did you actually buy the 40# tumbler and the cabbing machine or is it your rock club? You can barely afford to buy any rocks, yet have over a thousand bucks in a short period of time to buy a cabbing machine and a big tumbler? You posted that you can't have any of your rock machines at home (mom objects?) so where is all this stuff? 300+ posts in less than 3 months seems to denote a lot of talkin' and not enough readin' ETA: looks like a couple posts were being typed up at the same time along the same lines
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Post by glennz01 on Sept 26, 2014 11:26:05 GMT -5
Ok, well i will edit my posts later in the day to reflect that
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2014 11:29:07 GMT -5
sorry Jim. I hope I didn't embarrass you. You are just the best example I had.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Sept 26, 2014 11:30:20 GMT -5
What i read from above statements is that i should not post these sort of things and just keep it all to myself... or at least most of the information.. at least thats what being humble implies. Glenn, that's not it at all. Read again what azgnoinc said:
You entirely missed the point of what @shotgunner was saying to you Glenn - take a moment and let this part of his statement sink in "All you have to do is be humble. Right friendly folks indeed. You walk with giants here." No one wants to see you suceed in your experiments more than all of us other rockhounds, new and veteran, cause if it works then we all get to share in that knowledge - but tried and true methods are just that, and there have been plenty tried before you or I were even walking the planet. Don't take this as a knock, cause I for one am following this very closely in the hopes that what you are doing DOES work better and faster, though only time will tell if your methodology becomes tried and true. Good luck and keep us posted. People ARE interested in your experiments and processes, and what you have to say. But have you ever heard the expression, "It's not what you say, it's how you say it?" Definitely the case here.
You are just not presenting it very well. You have a tendency to demean people, and insinuate that you are more knowledgeable. If you could drop that attitude, people on this forum would respect you and your findings more. And try to listen a little better when people try to speak to you from their experience. Otherwise, I think pretty much everyone feels that we are wasting our time trying to talk to you... since you give the impression you already seem to know everything.
Just trying to open your eyes a little.
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Post by captbob on Sept 26, 2014 11:36:11 GMT -5
So, Glenns Guide to Rock Tumbling: For new techniques check back thread has now be edited to Glenns trial and error thread.
Where's the "trial & error" part?
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jamesp
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Post by jamesp on Sept 26, 2014 11:50:50 GMT -5
I was flattered to be mentioned as an example. Thank you Scott. It is my nature to experiment Glenn. That is what I was paid to do for many years. Now I experiment for myself. And it pays me well. It takes a lot of resources, patience, failures and time. Lots of political prowess if others are involved. Many capable person(s) have designed various tumblers for production. Since the 50's. Techniques about maxed out in efficiency. If some one says they have the miracle process most are going to going to be skeptical.
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Post by jamesp on Sept 26, 2014 12:03:57 GMT -5
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vugs
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Post by vugs on Sept 26, 2014 13:02:42 GMT -5
What i read from above statements is that i should not post these sort of things and just keep it all to myself... or at least most of the information.. at least thats what being humble implies. Thats what you got from my comment because thats how you chose to interpret it. Being humble doesnt mean "shutting your mouth" unless you cant control what comes out of it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2014 13:06:37 GMT -5
I was flattered to be mentioned as an example. Thank you Scott. Awesome. You are welcome. Hey! You aren't immune! I remember when you experimented with diamond segments.
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jamesp
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Post by jamesp on Sept 26, 2014 14:08:06 GMT -5
The most complex experiments involve my wife. The most painful if failure occurs.
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Post by captbob on Sept 26, 2014 16:06:12 GMT -5
So, Glenns Guide to Rock Tumbling: For new techniques check back thread has now be edited to Glenns trial and error thread. Where's the "trial & error" part? We seem to be in the "trial stage". Errors coming soon. Looks more like the delete and edit stage. Page one hardly exists anymore.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Sept 26, 2014 16:17:43 GMT -5
captbob, edit and delete, remind you of anyone? Well, actually I guess he just deleted. Remember the wizard? I was reading old posts and came across some of those old threads. I was in hysterics!!! Life on the forums definitely goes in cycles. It'll be someone else six months from now... Jean
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Post by glennz01 on Sept 26, 2014 22:57:58 GMT -5
captbob, edit and delete, remind you of anyone? Well, actually I guess he just deleted. Remember the wizard? I was reading old posts and came across some of those old threads. I was in hysterics!!! Life on the forums definitely goes in cycles. It'll be someone else six months from now... Jean I simply took out the process that everyone uses and am only going to post my trials... I come on here and simply say what i am doing and some people get upset that post reply's... I am not saying that i have the ultimate / best method, i am simply stating what i have experimented with by trial and error basis... before i didn't do it every week but with my 40 lb tumbler also i can experiment every week. My control or goal is to get stage one looking like it came out of stage two for roundness.
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Post by vugs on Sept 27, 2014 0:57:48 GMT -5
I simply took out the process that everyone uses and am only going to post my trials... I come on here and simply say what i am doing and some people get upset that post reply's... Glenn, dude i dont know whats up with you man.. Could be attitude/ego or a reading comprehension issue but you say you simply came on here to say what you are doing and people got upset. This community is not like that. Everyones very welcoming and fairly reserved when it comes to confrontation. In reality, you came on here claiming new and improved methods and seem to disregard everyones advice in a "know it all" manner. I would consider a majority of the comments to be constructive criticism but you choose to see them as attacks. The comments may have started to degrade some but you have made statements that have rubbed people the wrong way. I admit to being one of them. You also seem to contradict yourself a bit.. Like stating you have been experimenting with tumbling methods for years but in another of your threads you claim to have been into lapidary and tumbling for a year. Also, claiming to be broke and asking for material then buying a brand new Graves cabber which is over $1000. Its all a bit strange.
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Post by captbob on Sept 27, 2014 1:41:19 GMT -5
I am not saying that i have the ultimate / best method, i am simply stating what i have experimented with by trial and error basis... No, you said that you were posting your "improved method". Improved would suggest that it is better than what is already out there. Your "improved method" - wasn't. It is getting kinda hard to know just what you were "stating" the way your posts keep disappearing or being reworded. before i didn't do it every week but with my 40 lb tumbler also i can experiment every week. My control or goal is to get stage one looking like it came out of stage two for roundness.Tumbles should come out of "stage one" with pretty much their final "roundness". Additional steps after "stage one" aren't so much for the purpose of shaping, as refining. If you are at all open to suggestions, mine would be to give it a rest. Both here and the saw thread.
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