tarylina
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Post by tarylina on May 15, 2004 19:47:28 GMT -5
I drive a black SUV with dark tinted windows. Ha! It's not armored, though, unless there is something about my Tweety seatcovers I'm not aware of... ;D
I'm actually voting for Ralph Nader this time around if he sticks it out. He's an arrogant SOB and doesn't have a chance in hell of winning, but he's better than either one of the other alternatives, and he's got SOME good ideas.
I don't know if any of you have children, but I have three who are all pretty politically savvy. They and their friends are also very disgusted with our legal system and our government. They all want to make a difference somehow, but think that only people and/or entities with millions of dollars get what they want no matter how the "people" feel; and the only way anything is going to change in the future is to re-live history - the people must stand up for themselves and force change.
Maybe the next generation will figure out how to do that and really WILL make a difference
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Post by cookie3rocks on May 15, 2004 19:48:55 GMT -5
I liked most of that but... I DO have a right to my personal spiritual beliefs regardless of where I am. No one can take my thoughts, feelings, and opinions away from me. And if I choose to worship a doorknob it's no ones bussiness, ESPECIALY the "Evil corrupt goverment". And I still resent the "you" thing. And gas is $1.89 a gallon in GA. As I understand it, GA and TX have it about the easiest. And maybe voting for a monkey isn't such a bad idea.
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Post by cookie3rocks on May 17, 2004 21:33:15 GMT -5
And no, I don't worship a doorknob.
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llanago
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Post by llanago on May 17, 2004 22:38:19 GMT -5
And no, I don't worship a doorknob.With the crap some of the preachers of today are preaching, you might be better off worshiping a doorknob! Re:- the video. It is incredibly horrific and brutal but there are so many inconsistencies in it, it is obvious that it is a fraud. I am not saying that Nick Berg was not beheaded, he obviously was, but I do not believe he was alive when he was beheaded for a number of reasons. His death is certainly tragic and I am sorry for the suffering he endured before he was murdered and the suffering his loved ones are going through. The video appears more to me to be a CIA psy ops/ black ops propaganda deal than Muslim terrorists. Or Russian mercs. I understand that various linguists have said that although the speaker read in Arabic, it did not sound like his native language. Also that during the screaming and chanting the perps did after the beheading, someone speaking Russian was heard. Berg had some dealings with a rather shady character that was involved with Russian mercs. Lots of things wrong with this video if one can get past the horror of the beheading and see the other things going on. It's so horrific that it's a "hard to see the forest for the trees" thing. Why did the US military lie about having Berg in custody for 13 days? Why did the FBI visit him three times in regard to the OKC bombing? Why is Berg in a US prison (Gitmo) issue orange jumpsuit? What's the deal with the timeline? There is an 11 hour difference. Why does Berg start screaming a full 5 seconds before the knife is even pulled? And his mouth never moves while screaming. How can he keep screaming after his throat has been cut? Why do the "terrorists" have on body armor like the prison guards in the US (Gitmo and the prison in Iraq)prisons wear? Why are their hands so white, rather than dark skinned as most Muslims in the ME are? How could a man that has been dead since 2001 have committed this act? The US reported this man was killed in a helicopter attack, he was unable to run to safety because he had lost a leg and his prosthetic leg didn't fit properly. Why does the one that committed the beheading have on a black hood when he starts cutting Berg's throat, but has on a white hood when he raises the head up? Why is there no blood dripping from the neck? Why does he not have any blood on his hands? Why is there so little blood? The head holds about 1.5 to 2 pints of blood that would have squirted out all over everything when the carotid artery was severed. Numerous other things that just aren't right in the video but these are the most glaring when one can detach themselves from the horror of it and see the other things. Nick Berg was definitely murdered and beheaded, and that is a tragedy, but , IMHO, things did not happen as they appear to have happened in this video. Just too many questions to be answered to satisfy me. Interesting website on Bush, Iraq and Oil. americanassembler.com/timelines/iraq/timeline_iraq.htmlllana BTW I am a political/news junkie and anytime something like this comes to light, I start searching for the truth of the matter because the government lies to the people so much that nothinng they ever say can be taken at face value. They are politicians - if their lips are moving, they are lying 9 times out of 10!
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Post by cookie3rocks on May 17, 2004 22:57:39 GMT -5
llana, Thanks for responding. I am lifted. I didn't know if I could handle veiwing the video, but after reading your response maybe I should. We need the truth and like you I will side on the cynical when it comes to our goverment. It's amazing to me (or maybe eye opening) that americans responded to this the way they did, almost a "we had it coming" response as opposed to anger. But I'm with you, I think our goverment wanted us to be pissed off and it backfired. Sorry, I'm making an asumpshin that's what you meant. I am very spiritual, but my beliefs are personal and I don't ask or expect the rest of the world to believe as I do, just respect my right to believe as I choose.
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James
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Post by James on May 18, 2004 3:46:53 GMT -5
I don't believe there was a conspiracy in the Nick Berg beheading. That's outlandish. My girlfriend is Assyrian from Iraq and she speaks five languages. One of which, being Arabic. She saw the video last night and there was no boubt in her mind that those terrorist were indeed Arabs. She was left in such shock, that she couldn't talk or walk for half an hour.
If that was a fraud, it deserves an Emmy nomination for best special effects.
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llanago
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Post by llanago on May 18, 2004 9:37:23 GMT -5
A speaker of Russian that I am somewhat acquainted with had this to say "...The terrorists in Berg's beheading video are communicating to each other in Russian ! One of them tells to the executioner who was cutting Berg's head: "Davay pozhivee !" meaning "Do it quicker !", or "Hurry up !" in pure unaccented Russian. Initially, I thought I was the only one who noticed it, but other Russian speakers confirmed it as well independently from me. So, who actually killed Berg ? BTW, "Allah o Akbar" they pronounce not with Arabic, but with a Russian-like accent. Also, their demeanor was not Arabic at all, but resembles that of people from the North Caucasus. Those were not Arabs ! "
I don't speak either Russian or Arabic, so I can't say as to whether this is correct or not. But having discovered that Berg was involved with AZIZ AL-TAEE, a somewhat shady Iraqi with involvement in the Russian/Jewish mafia, raises all sorts of questions.
The "terrorists" are also carrying weapons that would be difficult for Iraqi insurgents to have access to. An Israeli Galil carbine and a a Mac-11 9mm submachine pistol. CIA uses the Ingram MAC-11 and the MAC-10 in alot of their covert operations.
The size of these "terrorists" is also questionable. I think it very unlikey Iraqi insurgents/terrorist who are on the run, hiding in holes, burning a ton of calories and most likely not eating frequently would be the size of these guys. Also Iraqi insurgents don't have access to body armor like these are wearing.
The video is shoddy and obviously alot of editing has been done. The timeline is weird. Zarqawi, the guy alleged doing the beheading was reported DEAD by the US government in 2001. He was also described by the US government as "of slight build and dark skinned". The perp in this crime is not of slight build and his skin is pretty white.
The US government has been involved in conspiracies and coverups of all sorts for decades. Pearl Harbor comes to mind, JFK, Waco, Ruby Ridge, OKC bombing, 9/11, Philadelpha Experiment, Area 51, injecting black men with syphillis back in the '40s in order to study the effects of the disease in the long term, giving US soldiers LSD for use in mind control experiments back in the '60s, Myjestic 12 projects of mind control.
For me to just take this video at face value, I would have to forget about all those other conspiracies/ coverups the government has been involved in thru the years that I have discovered during 12 years of extensive research. And since a good bit of info I have uncovered comes straight out of government documents, I believe it to be correct - or at least as correct as the government will actually put on paper that is eventually declassified and available to the public.
Another questionable aspect of this. Why was Berg's body taken to Dover AFB. He was a civilian and bodies of civilians are not normally taken to Dover. Also, why were his parents denied, by the government, to be at Dover to recover his body?
Too many questions, not enough answers.
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SirRoxalot
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Post by SirRoxalot on May 18, 2004 12:01:40 GMT -5
The truth will out!
Careful analysis of the video clearly indicates that it was staged by Islamic Russian aliens bent on world domination.
The invasion could begin at any time, probably in Roswell.
Run for cover!!!
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shorty
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Post by shorty on May 18, 2004 12:45:16 GMT -5
hi all i was in vietnam in 68 in the marines special forces serch and rescue and iv seen some horrible thangs and what i thank mite piss some people off ..but its just my oppion. we should get out and give them all guns then thell kill just about every one . then there wont be anough people to worry about .those people wont stop killing. they ben killing each other sence the beging of time why would they stop now.. shorty
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donwrob
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Post by donwrob on May 18, 2004 15:37:34 GMT -5
We all have opinions and that is fine. But I don't think that a rock tumbling site is the place for them concerning politics or religion. It will only serve to create hard feelings and ruin our happy little home here. I don't agree with much of what's in this thread, but I'm keeping my mouth shut and staying out of it. There is my $.02, Don
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shorty
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Post by shorty on May 18, 2004 15:53:39 GMT -5
your rite don im sorry . shorty
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stubby
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Post by stubby on May 18, 2004 16:01:47 GMT -5
Dittos to donwrob. This discussion belongs on a different site.
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James
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Post by James on May 18, 2004 16:07:39 GMT -5
I agree Don. But dispite any differences in opion any of us may have, you're still all friends by me. No hard feelings here.
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donwrob
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Post by donwrob on May 18, 2004 16:10:46 GMT -5
Cool, hey Shorty. Don't be sorry buddy, yours was about the only post I agree with...hehe. later, Don
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Post by Jeff 2 on May 18, 2004 16:54:40 GMT -5
I agree with llano on the beheading video, I am a Palestinian American that speaks Arabic, and that accent sounded like the Druse bedoins of Israel, who often join the Israeli Defense Corps. Definately not an Iraqi accent. I also agree with him on almost everything else, including the futility of voting, but will vote for Kerry anyway just to send Bush packing. I would love to vote Libertarian, but would like to see the party get more traction, the movement has been stalled for a long time. Check out www.whatreallyhappened.com for up-to-date news without the lies.
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Post by cookie3rocks on May 18, 2004 18:55:17 GMT -5
Sometimes we just need to vent and be heard. On this forum, we are all friends and whether we agree or disagree with what is said, we are tolerant to those who speak out. I think that's great. I'm thankful to have my new friends. My two best friends of 3 years also worked for me. Turns out they also stole from me (or at least from the company I represent.). I've been heart broken and disillusioned for some time now, and having you guys to talk to has helped alot. Thank you. Now I'll drop it, K?
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llanago
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Post by llanago on May 18, 2004 20:27:10 GMT -5
Well, I'm sure not offended or upset. In fact, I think you all have been perfect gentleman in that you haven't called me a nutter (or worse) even though you disagree. ;D
Gas prices do suck these days though, don't they? Got my new bike assembled today and after a bit of fine tuning, I will be peddling my way to work and saving a few gallons of gas here and there. Every little bit helps!
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bwalters
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Post by bwalters on May 18, 2004 20:47:16 GMT -5
Here we go! Llana's gonna be peddlin' it on Main Street Medina again! Just kiddin', of course. I've been a little surprised by the direction that this thread on this forum has taken, but what could possibly be wrong with it? Nope.....it's not about rocks, it didn't start out being about rocks, but it is obviously about issues that several members here are certainly interested in. I love rocks, but I also enjoy hearing about other issues that our friends here are concerned about. Barbara
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