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Post by Toad on Oct 16, 2014 2:21:20 GMT -5
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Sabre52
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Post by Sabre52 on Oct 16, 2014 7:41:10 GMT -5
Nothing much to understand. Our government is run by lying, incompetent, political, aholes that are friggin clueless about everything. Further exacerbated by the fact most Americans are selfish and think mostly of themselves, their own jobs, their own comfort etc and to Hell with everyone else. You cannot trust folks to "self quarantine". it's simply too inconvenient for them *L*.
We need to lock up and really quarantine exposed folks and close our freaking borders to flights from hot zones and seriously monitor any flights that are not domestic. No ebola patients should be brought to our shores for treatment violating our ocean barriers. Set up a hospital ship or off shore clinic to treat these folks....Mel
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Post by Fossilman on Oct 16, 2014 8:56:46 GMT -5
If we had a President with any balls,this wouldn't have happened on American soil,but one time!!! As said,have a ship treat them or send them back to Africa!!!!! Our President is a fool for letting this get carried away like this!! Thumbs down for the morons n DC!!!
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Post by tkvancil on Oct 16, 2014 9:11:06 GMT -5
There was no transmission of ebola in Atlanta when they brought those people back for treatment. Now in Texas and Spain health care workers have contracted the disease. I wonder what went wrong.
As I hear it the man in Texas sought treatment and was mis-diagnosed, sent home with Tylenol. He was staying with family and the children in that household went to school after being around him while sick. I truly hope that this doesn't go any further than it has.
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Post by captbob on Oct 16, 2014 9:30:08 GMT -5
If the flood of ILLEGALS coming across our southern border wasn't bad enough for ya, just wait until this ebola hits central America and Mexico.
I don't think that the masses we have seen so far will hold a candle to what we will experience once those living south of the border start to truly fear death from ebola.
BAD BAD times are comin'
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Post by Sabre52 on Oct 16, 2014 9:55:14 GMT -5
Yup, Apparently, here in America, we can fairly successfully treat ebola, so this will act as a magnet to folks of means in third world countries who get sick and can afford plane trips. Plus, what the heck, we give illegals free medical care too. Folks who get sick with ebola in Africa or elsewhere, will simply fly to Mexico and walk across our unsecured southern border and along the way, infect lots more folks. And of course the Obamanation will welcome them so the "survivors" can vote Democrat. As we well know, those incompetent f**ks will do anything for an extra Democratic vote *L*......Mel
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Post by jamesp on Oct 16, 2014 12:09:15 GMT -5
I have a lot more patience with illegals sneaking across our boundaries. They are just that, illegals. Basically our enemies.
But when the US govt allows such a pandemic potential into the country we have been betrayed by our trusted govt.
The movements of the govt are well contested/publicized and the public is furious regarding Ebola. Govt needs to be vulnerable to prison charges. They escape such punishment. Why should they care? The whole affair is a repeat of their stupidity. We are mere pawns, and the pawns will clean up their mess and pay the price. Again. Maybe the CDC will figure it out. please, in Africa, not here. Too late. Damn fools. Now, like Mel mentioned, they will be coming here. in groves. And we better treat them to lower spread rate. What a monster.
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Post by fantastic5 on Oct 16, 2014 12:24:03 GMT -5
I work in a hospital and serve on the Ebola steering committee so I have a pretty good understanding of this situation. I can with certainty tell you that the difference between the success in Atlanta and the failure in Dallas comes down to training. Emory is utilizing a unit with limited staff specifically trained and drilled to handle situations such as this. It is VERY difficult to remove PPE (personal protective equipment) without contaminating yourself. Everyone thinks the full Tyvek suits are the way to go, but they are nearly impossible to remove without contaminating the wearer unless the full exterior of the suit can be decontaminated first (not practical for most hospitals).
The nightly news several evenings ago had a reporter interviewing people in a US training facility that was going to send medical aid workers to West Africa. While the interview was taking place you could clearly see the training in the background. They were being trained WRONG. They were being shown removing N95 respirators by pulling them up and over the face, this technique WILL contaminate the wearer.
The fact that the CDC did not better mobilize to help the Dallas facility handle this situation is truly disheartening! I have never been a fan of ‘big’ government but this is certainly a time that agencies need to step up and work hard to better protect its citizens. You cannot bring a dog into the US (from certain countries) without first quarantining the animal. Both people coming into the US from infected regions and staff with direct contact with Ebola patients need to be held to a mandatory quarantine, period.
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Post by Sabre52 on Oct 16, 2014 17:37:53 GMT -5
Guess the brilliant nurse who hopped on a Frontier flight while sick ( What the Hell was she thinking anyway? ) may have resulted in the exposure of several hundred more folks who are flying to all points of the compass in the US. Jeez! Way to go for giving her the OK stupid, dumbass CDC slugs! CDC needs to look up quarantine in the dictionary cause they plainly don't understand the term worth spit.
Hey any of you other Texans notice a bit of extra activity in the stores lately. We keep well stocked on bottled water for horseback rides and the shelves at Wally World were fairly stripped of water this afternoon. Noticed some very full carts with canned goods etc too. Wonder if some folks are starting to think about forting up if things get worse.....Mel
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Post by spiritstone on Oct 16, 2014 20:04:02 GMT -5
The news were hearing here is the vaccine is now being tested on 40 people. If it all goes fine, they are telling us it should be ready to roll out for mass production 2 months after testing. It does sound a little promising. Not much more to look forward to if it doesnt work, keeping my fingers crossed if they cant contain the outbreak.
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Post by captbob on Oct 16, 2014 23:01:47 GMT -5
EXCUSE ME, but WTF From The New York Post October 16, 2014 | 7:36pm Alarm after vomiting passenger dies on flight from Nigeria to JFKnypost.com/2014/10/16/alarm-after-vomiting-passenger-dies-on-flight-from-nigeria-to-jfk/A plane from Nigeria landed at JFK Airport Thursday with a male passenger aboard who had died during the flight after a fit of vomiting — and CDC officials conducted a “cursory” exam before announcing there was no Ebola and turning the corpse over to Port Authority cops to remove, Rep. Peter King said on Thursday.
The unnamed, 63-year-old passenger had boarded an Arik Air plane out of Lagos, Nigeria, on Wednesday night, a federal law enforcement source said.
During the flight, the man had been vomiting in his seat, the source said. Some time before the plane landed, he passed away. Flight crew contacted the CDC, federal customs officials and Port Authority police, who all boarded the plane at around 6 a.m. as about 145 worried passengers remained on board, the source said.
“My understanding was that the passenger was vomiting in the seat,” King (R-LI) said.
“The CDC went on the plane, examined the dead body and said the person did not have Ebola,” King said.
“It was what I was told a cursory examination. The Port Authority cops and personnel from Customs and Border Protection were there, and they were told there was no danger because the person did not have Ebola,” King said.
“But their concern was, how could you tell so quickly? And what adds to the concern is how wrong the CDC has been over the past few weeks.”********************** So, the 145 passengers just got off the plane and went home?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 7:44:19 GMT -5
Fantastic5 Thank you for the wealth of inside information. Something that is hard to come by (honesty).
hahaha Mel, you keep harping about the dems but it does not matter. Both sides have sold us down the river (to the benefit of themselves and corporations) and I doubt that either side has the grit to pull it back. When you vote you may as well vote for Archie Bunker because he is dead and can not harm us.
Greed by just about everyone from the welfare recipient to the wealthy to the corporations and the elected officials has sucked the life out of this country. What are the chances of greed being reversed. About the same as the chance of the fly getting out of my saw oil. Even if I pick him out he is not going to survive.
Now, if I type JMHO nobody gets pissed, right? lol Jim
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Post by chassroc on Oct 17, 2014 8:28:02 GMT -5
That headline about the JFK passenger from Nigeria vomiting and expiring sounded pretty scary...but what really scared me was Representative Peter King trying to make political hay out of it; the correct authorities investigated and found no Ebola. Should be end of story, right. We have enough real concerns without making something out of nothing. Lets leave Health Care and Disease Control to the Health Care and Didease Control professionals
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Post by captbob on Oct 17, 2014 8:59:47 GMT -5
That headline about the JFK passenger from Nigeria vomiting and expiring sounded pretty scary...but what really scared me was Representative Peter King trying to make political hay out of it; the correct authorities investigated and found no Ebola. Should be end of story, right. We have enough real concerns without making something out of nothing. Lets leave Health Care and Disease Control to the Health Care and Didease Control professionalsyeah, that's been working out so well thus far. I wouldn't any longer trust the boobs at the CDC with walking my dog, much less the health and safety of our country. ...but what really scared me was Representative Peter King trying to make political hay out of it; Like just maybe we should close our borders to incoming travel from the infected countries? Yup, that's scary alright. They might get their feelings hurt!
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Post by grayfingers on Oct 17, 2014 9:16:43 GMT -5
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Post by captbob on Oct 17, 2014 9:38:49 GMT -5
The CDC's budget today is 25% bigger than it was in 2008 and 188% bigger than in 2000. The NIH budget has been flat for the past few years, but at a level that's more than double what it was 14 years ago.
More was budgeted than obama even asked for. Then the NIH (CDC) spends it on crap like studying why more lesbians get obese than gay men. I could list moronic ways their budget was wasted all day long.
If the NIH was really so concerned about developing an Ebola vaccine, for example, it could have directed more grant money to that effort, rather than wasting it researching such things as diseases among male sex workers in Peru ($400,000), ... and sexual attraction among fruit flies (nearly $1 million).
A few years ago, it dumped $106 million into a swanky visitors' center in Atlanta, even though it already had one. It bought $10 million worth of furniture for its lavish new headquarters and spent $1.7 million to advise Hollywood on medical plots.
But don't worry about that pesky Ebola!
How 'bout a $702,558 grant for the study of the impact of televisions and gas generators on villages in Vietnam. $175,587 to the University of Kentucky to study the impact of cocaine on the sex drive of Japanese quail. $55,382 to study hookah smoking in Jordan. $592,527 to study why chimpanzees throw objects.
That stuff is IMPORTANT !!!
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Post by jamesp on Oct 17, 2014 9:43:07 GMT -5
$175,587 to the University of Kentucky to study the impact of cocaine on the sex drive of Japanese quail.
Gracious
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Post by grayfingers on Oct 17, 2014 9:47:00 GMT -5
I propose a study of Spider monkeys all hopped up on Mountain Dew.
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Post by Rockoonz on Oct 17, 2014 11:09:32 GMT -5
Enjoy Barack Obamas Legacy America
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Post by parfive on Oct 17, 2014 13:04:19 GMT -5
Wingnuts whining for a tsar . . .
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