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Post by christopherl1234 on Oct 29, 2014 14:07:11 GMT -5
I have spent some time on the DRECP website and it appears we have problem. Rockhounds are in danger of losing two well known local collecting spots to solar and/or wind farm development. Both Lonely Butte aka Brown Butte and Gem Hill lie directly in the Development Focus area of the DRECP. Both of these spots are in the Gem Trails of Southern California books and have been used by Rockhounds for decades. The Desert Renewable Energy Conservation Plan (DRECP), a major component of California's renewable energy planning effort. It is designed to streamline and fast track the permitting process for huge solar and wind development in the California Deserts. The pink areas on the attached maps are marked as Development focus areas. There will be little or no further hearings on development in the focus areas. The projects will be essentially already approved in these areas. The required meetings for comments are currently in progress. There is one in Lancaster next Monday. Please attend if you can to make it known we want to be able to continue to access these areas and keep them open for future generations of Rockhounds. Public Meeting for the Draft Desert Renewable Energy Conservation Plan (DRECP) EIR/EIS - Lancaster, CA Monday, November 3, 2014 4:00-6:30 p.m. Lancaster City Hall Council Chambers 44933 N. Fern Ave. Lancaster, CA 93534 Public comments can also be submitted in writing. Go to the website: drecp.org for information on how to comment, maps and much more. I have created a Facebook Page - Save Gem Hill & Lonely Butte to unit Rockhounds and provide information on how to comment and what to do as I figure it out myself. Speak up or we may loose these awesome spots. Ruth Hidalgo
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2014 14:17:48 GMT -5
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Post by deb193redux on Oct 29, 2014 14:28:46 GMT -5
Maybe I need to know more about the issue. always willing to learn. IMO, if any corporation or developer is set up to profit here, than crucify them. but if it is rocks on the one hand or planet-saving renewables on the other hand, I go with the planet every time.
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Post by christopherl1234 on Oct 30, 2014 2:28:31 GMT -5
They make it confusing on purpose.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 8:22:04 GMT -5
If it involves government and corporations we the people do not stand a chance. Save the planet? ? ? Not with wind generating energy. This guy has it all figured out. Jim
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 10:49:27 GMT -5
planet-saving renewables on the other hand, I go with the planet every time. Planet saving? Really?? Do you have the idea that we are destroying "the planet". WOW. Even the meteorite impact that killed the dinosaurs did not injure "the planet", and that was likely the largest catastrophic event the earth has ever seen. That somehow closing the desert to 99.99% of the populous to generate what 0.005% of the energy we need is a good use of resources? You don't recreate in that area, you should have no vote.
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Post by MrP on Nov 1, 2014 7:44:19 GMT -5
Maybe I need to know more about the issue. always willing to learn. IMO, if any corporation or developer is set up to profit here, than crucify them. but if it is rocks on the one hand or planet-saving renewables on the other hand, I go with the planet every time.
planet-saving renewables
It is very obvious you have no clue how much energy is used to create solar cells and the amount of pollution involved in the process. If it wasn't for government rebates and support, in other words the peoples money, they would not be building all the solar and wind farms because they can't support themselves on just there energy production.
The 650kW wind generator on our utility system has produced 17% of capacity in the 12 years it has been installed.
The 5.2kW solar system that a home owner installed has been less then 20% of capacity in the 4 years it has been in use. System cost home owner $32,000 with an $8,000 rebate. He makes between $500 - $600 a year on this system. Now to do it justice it is in Minnesota and has some tree shading but if I am doing my math right there is no payback on the system. The home owner knew this going in but is proud he is 'Doing The Right Thing'. He and his wife spend about 4 months a year traveling the world, but they do the 'Right Thing' at home.
Building those sites has nothing to do with saving the planet. It has everything to do with making money and taking our rights away.................MrP
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Post by Mark K on Nov 1, 2014 23:56:58 GMT -5
I think everyone should start tossing their rejects at their solar arrays and show them what rocks can do. Then we will provide a valuable service by helping to reduce the overpopulation of attack rocks.
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Post by snowmom on Nov 2, 2014 5:30:54 GMT -5
Went through this in Illinois with windmills. Promised no noise, no shadow flicker, no trouble with radio, cell, or tv reception, safe for wildlife, all lies: breakdowns, fires, ice throw, noise, high bird kill daily and on migration paths, oil spills, only about 5 days a year at peak production, performance way below projections. on and on. big money + politicians = profit for fat cats and to hell with the people who have to actually deal with the realities of the lies they tell. people in the line to profit hear only what they want to hear and don't consider that if something sounds too good to be true, it generally is. best wishes.
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Post by christopherl1234 on Nov 3, 2014 14:28:48 GMT -5
I hope I am not the only rock person to show up at this meeting
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Post by gemfeller on Nov 3, 2014 16:26:48 GMT -5
Christopher, I've come to the conclusion that "resistance is futile," as the Borg would say. Meetings like that are just eyewash in a PR attempt to keep the peasants from getting out their pitchforks and pikes. The decisions have already been made. Although I'm frequently accused of being a conspiracy theorist when I bring this stuff up, I'd argue that there's no conspiracy "theory" when the whole thing has been laid out in minute detail for public inspection. The problem is unraveling it requires more energy and persistence than the average person is willing to expend. But an understanding of what's really happening is essential to stopping it. I have no illusions that will occur however. Spend a little time Googling for information about the Wildlands Project. "Green energy" development is only the latest ruse used to prevent citizens from enjoying what they mistakenly believe are "public" lands. Others are ever-encroaching wetlands regulation, protection of so-called "endangered species" like the 3-inch Delta Minnow that's turned formerly productive segments of the San Joaquin Valley into a dustbowl, and many other land-use regulations. There's a ton of stuff on-line about this scam but this is a good place to start: nwri.org/the-wildlands-project/
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 14:25:00 GMT -5
gemfeller - I have long said The supreme ruler is already making monuments with a stroke of a pen and no public input. This is pure theatre. I don't consider you a "theorist". The theory is in all actuality a theorem.
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Post by mohs on Nov 11, 2014 14:50:33 GMT -5
I think it wise to believe in conspiracy theories cause none of us want to look stupid when they are proved true
actually though... I’m anti-conspiracist in this sense
“ I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma, that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth”.
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Post by gemfeller on Nov 11, 2014 16:45:59 GMT -5
I don't consider you a "theorist". The theory is in all actuality a theorem. Scott, I was always lousy at math but I sure know how to read and interpret what I'm reading. What I find so frustrating about all the complaining I hear regarding ever more strict land use regulations, the fraud of human-caused global warming aka climate change, increasingly ridiculous EPA regulations, etc. is that it's all a political program for global "sustainability" being force-fed to us peasants. It was planned years ago at the 1992 UN Rio Earth Summit and was laid out in black and white for anyone to read. It's dressed up in in highfalutin' language that appears ever-so-innocent and noble but in its barest form it's a plan to destabilize the industrial nations while redistributing their wealth to the Third World. End goal: EU-style one-world government under auspices of unelected UN bureaucrats. Check it out: sustainabledevelopment.un.org/content/documents/Agenda21.pdfWhen you understand the above it's not hard to see why the present occupant of the Oval Office is behaving as he does. He's doing exactly what he promised to do: fundamentally transform America. But not in ways many who voted for him thought he had in mind. There's much more of course, especially when one looks into the career of Canadian businessman/UN manipulator, Maurice Strong.
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Post by gemfeller on Nov 11, 2014 16:50:04 GMT -5
“ I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma, that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth”. I came to that conclusion long ago, Ed. Hey, did you hear the one about that guy Descartes? He sauntered into a bar and ordered a beer. When he was finished the bartender asked him it he'd like another. "I think not," said Descartes. And "poof," he vanished.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 17:10:50 GMT -5
haha!
I think I will!
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Post by mohs on Nov 11, 2014 18:46:34 GMT -5
“ I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma, that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth”. I came to that conclusion long ago, Ed. I’ve suspected it for a long time, Rick Through some fairly serious history readings, over the decades, the principle seems confirmed. Yet I have no proof either way…. mostly
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Post by snowmom on Nov 12, 2014 7:23:10 GMT -5
Well Chris, what happened at that meeting? Or is it unspeakable?
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Post by christopherl1234 on Nov 21, 2014 3:56:13 GMT -5
There were three rock hounds that showed up and spoke (myself included) We actually got one of the environmental groups to change the language of their proposal. Instead of saying " closed to all mining" it now reads "Closed to mechanized mining" so hand tools would still be allowed. They requested we submit location information of areas we would like to be considered to stay open for rock-hounding. So if any of you would be willing to add your spots here I can add it to a list to submit.
Sorry it took me so long to update this. I get real busy no a days and do not get on here as much as I would like to.
Christopher
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Post by snowmom on Nov 21, 2014 6:36:13 GMT -5
that's great news! wonderful they were able to see the value in keeping the area open to hounding. just shows my defeatist attitude was wrong! good on you!
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