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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 10:35:44 GMT -5
This Japanese style sand garden is not finished and I am looking for some input on how to position the stones. I realize that an artist should make his or her stuff then present a finished piece of art but since I am weird I am looking for artistic input. I will post comments with the photos and explain where my problem is. This is the wooden base that makes up the garden. It is 5 3/8" by 6" and the sides will allow 1/4" of sand. Cut all the side pieces making sure they were a tad bit long and not short so when I mounted them I could sand them to fit. Added stiffeners to the bottom because the 1/8" plywood had a little curve to it. Glued on all the sides with Elmer's new Pro Bond Advanced. Very quick and easy glue to use and is for stone also. Now here is where I am looking for opinions. I have mounted the small stone in the center of the larger stone and off to one side of the larger stone. Three views of each way. First up is mounted in the center. These are off to the side photos. I think it has a bit of a duck look. This way looks out of the ordinary or a bit different than what might be expected of one rock sitting on another. Since the stones are drilled these are the only two ways it can be. I plan on making more of these using mostly jade. I think the two stones in this one are gizzard stones but I have no proof. They were found just like they are and only took a little bit of polishing. And, what is Ohio flint doing in Wyoming? The glaciers did not move that far sideways. Thanks for looking and your opinions are very welcome. Jim
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Post by Fossilman on Nov 22, 2014 10:55:35 GMT -5
I have seen many ways of making these art forms...I seen one that caught my eye-it was of the different countries in the orient,like Japan,Okinawa,Philippines,etc...Very beautiful rocks that represented the countries,laid out in the sand..Shapes were of no character,just the representation of locations ............ I think your on to a beautiful piece of art Jim.....Thumbs up
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Post by pghram on Nov 22, 2014 20:12:04 GMT -5
I think I like the last arrangement, but I don't know why.
Rich
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 11:13:24 GMT -5
Thanks for the input.
Mike, I saw them in China too. They would call it zen or something like that. Here it would probably be called zoning out for a while. lol The will definitely relax you by the time you finish raking the sand.
Rich, it was the same for me. I liked it more with the top stone on the side but have no idea why. That is the reason I asked for input. Questioning my sanity I guess. lol Jim
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Post by connrock on Nov 23, 2014 12:10:43 GMT -5
I like this one best,,, That is going to be beautiful when it's finished! connrock
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Post by snowmom on Nov 23, 2014 14:15:37 GMT -5
this is going to be beautiful! (gizzard stones??? amazing!) I like the first and the last best, somehow the energy from one stone to the other seems in conflict in the other presentations, but I am one to feel uncomfortable seeing the traditional viewing stones which balance on a point and have the majority of their mass above them... whatever takes you away from it all is the best one! Don't forget more pictures as this progresses... loving it!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 9:36:16 GMT -5
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Post by jamesp on Nov 27, 2014 18:11:16 GMT -5
Are the two cobbles for the garden quartzite ?
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Post by snowmom on Nov 28, 2014 6:39:37 GMT -5
So beautiful! Love it!! (Those jades showing exterior as well as interior tell me I may be looking for the wrong thing when I hunt around here...) can't wait to see them finished and displayed. keep this thread going! I think you are right, that you should do what gives you the most pleasure to view and to heck with conventionalities... If you look on American Suiseki pages and the like, you will see that people feel free to improvise and do things that break with traditional practices. I think the expression of any art form is better for new insights and new innovations. Go Jim! keep showing us what you do.
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Post by connrock on Nov 28, 2014 8:39:10 GMT -5
You sure have a lot of different types of jade! Can't wait to see a finished sand garden! connrock
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 9:15:29 GMT -5
Are the two cobbles for the garden quartzite ? If you are talking about the first two round ones I don't know. They look like Ohio flint but your guess is as good as mine. Good chance it is awesomeite. Talking about this just brought to mind the fact that I do find a similar type of rock that are much larger but have similar patterns. I can identify quartz but still have not figured out the difference between quartz and quartzite. When the larger pieces are broken they look similar to broken quartz but there is a difference. Here is one that is a little bigger than a soft ball. Some like this one are pretty rocks but cut up they do not make good jewelry. Jim
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 9:25:25 GMT -5
After going back and looking at the first two rocks again the larger one looks like Ohio flint and the smaller one does not. Jim
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Post by jamesp on Nov 28, 2014 9:58:50 GMT -5
here is some tight quartzite as it looks broken. we call it sugar quartz. Most common material for arrowheads in GA/NC mountains. Where there is no flint/agate. It is homogenous and seems like sugar fused together. Red yellow green white purple, mostly pastel in tone . River cobbles can be large and heavily stained yellows and reds. Often in layers with mica sparkles in it. Tallahatta quartzite from Mississippi famous for it's purity and use for arrowheads. Have found knappings in the mountain lakes when they are low water level left by natives that would make wicked cabs, but never could find their source rock. I think it can be found in Greybull if you saw about 4000 feet of those mountains. Our mountains were like yours, except worn down. I guess we live on the igneous layer, like the anus of the mountain LOL. a few quartzite's from a park in Atlanta. You would like this location, i went here for the first time in 30 years for several hours. It used to be rural. I had a hard time collecting, young ladies kept coming down to the creek bank from the jogging trail above asking me my biz in the creek. I got lots of will power, thinking you would have melted. This location has about as good quartzite as I have ever seen, gotta go back and spend time. These after 2 hours: www.flickr.com/photos/67205364@N06/sets/72157639487638866From images, tight quartzite. Adventurine seems to be quartzite.
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Post by pghram on Nov 28, 2014 22:35:51 GMT -5
Really nice, the black jade is my fav too.
Rich
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Post by gingerkid on Nov 29, 2014 7:31:17 GMT -5
Really like all of your jade, but agree with pghram about your black jade pieces! They are gorgeous!
wampidy, I purchased a grab bag of slabs from Graves Company and there were a couple of black nephrite slabs. One of the slabs had a label on it 'Jade Storm (?) MTN California and the other one has writing on it jade with magnetite,' so maybe your first polished black jade has magnetite in it?
Are you going to paint or stain the wooden base before you add the sand?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 8:52:14 GMT -5
I bought two pieces of black jade from Scott that I cut into smaller pieces. The two black pieces came from that. I would have to do a bunch of digging to find the name and location that Scott gave to me but I think it had mountain in it and I am sure he said CA. He also pointed out that the mine is closed now so the only way to get any is from collectors.
Jade can have a lot of different inclusions so when I said metal, hematite was included. There is a very good chance that it is hematite and yours came from the same place. The stone that the flat top piece came from had grain going in all directions so I was really happy with the way it polished.
The pointy piece came from the same cobble and I believe the silver streaks comes from an abundance of actinolite in that area. I have some Washington green that has soft areas that look similar and Frank told me it was from too much actinolite and Frank knows jade quite thoroughly.
I bought clear gloss polycrylic to finish the wood with but the wood I have is really white so I may need to put something darker on it. The biggest problem is finding a warm place to do it without sucking a bunch into my lungs or have an explosion, the main reason I bought the water based stuff. I may just have to use it and hope it looks okay then do something different in the spring if I am still making them. I have a habit of running around in squares when it comes to projects I am working on at any given time. Jim
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Post by Fossilman on Nov 30, 2014 10:29:06 GMT -5
That long tooth of Washington translucent jade,will look awesome in your display..................
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Post by rockjunquie on Dec 9, 2014 22:52:03 GMT -5
Hey Jim, I'm so glad you posted so much jade. Now I see why you like it so much. Maybe you could dedicate a thread to showing off some great pics of all your jade?? **batting eyes**
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2014 7:42:10 GMT -5
HAHAHA Batting eyes will get you almost anything from me. I wrote a note (would forget without it) and I will work on that suggestion. Might even make it a community thing. Jim
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Post by hoardingrocks on Dec 13, 2014 20:16:39 GMT -5
I love the positioning of the second pic. it just looks harmonious...
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