jamesp
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Jan 23, 2015 16:08:55 GMT -5
Post by jamesp on Jan 23, 2015 16:08:55 GMT -5
Interesting statistics. Assuming the government of China is strengthening it's standing as a world power at the cost of it's people's quality of life. And has little concern about damages to much of anything on their way to getting there.
Are you starting to get the picture? China is on the rise. If you doubt this, just read the following: # When you total up all imports and exports, China is now the number one trading nation on the entire planet. # Overall, the U.S. has run a trade deficit with China over the past decade that comes to more than 2.3 trillion dollars. # China has more foreign currency reserves than anyone else on the planet. # China now has the largest new car market in the entire world. # China now produces more than twice as many automobiles as the United States does. After being bailed out by U.S. taxpayers, GM is involved in 11 joint ventures with Chinese companies. # China is the number one gold producer in the world. # The uniforms for the U.S. Olympic team were made in China. # 85% of all artificial Christmas trees the world over are made in China. # The new World Trade Center tower in New York is going to include glass imported from China. # China now consumes more energy than the United States does. # China is now in aggregate the leading manufacturer of goods in the entire world. # China uses more cement than the rest of the world combined. # China is now the number one producer of wind and solar power on the entire globe. # China produces 3 times as much coal and 11 times as much steel as the United States does. # China produces more than 90 percent of the global supply of rare earth elements. # China is now the number one supplier of components that are critical to the operation of any national defense system. # In published scientific research articles China is expected to become number one in the world very shortly.
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Post by parfive on Jan 23, 2015 17:40:44 GMT -5
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Sabre52
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Jan 23, 2015 17:42:32 GMT -5
Post by Sabre52 on Jan 23, 2015 17:42:32 GMT -5
Doing business with China is a big deal these days. My brother in law's outfit used to sell the train cars for transporting autos. Think the company had some sort of proprietary machinery the Chinese wanted so they just bought them the company to get the stuff. Hard to find something the Chinese haven't got their hands into these days.....Mel
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jamesp
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Jan 24, 2015 0:43:47 GMT -5
Post by jamesp on Jan 24, 2015 0:43:47 GMT -5
China is clever. 'get it cheaper from us', at any cost to them. Thinking the people of China are used as slaves to accomplish such. Would guess that the major portion of the population lives a minimum wage lifestyle, if that. Assumptions, but somebody about has to be working for cheap. Who is going to get the promotion, the guy that works 100 hours a week and does a great job, or the guy that works 40 and is a mediocre employee. Some how, some way, there is some form of exploitation of the work force. If they are exploiting the people, bash them for that. Otherwise, they should be respected for exploiting greed. Everyone likes a bargain.
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Jan 24, 2015 0:55:57 GMT -5
Post by vegasjames on Jan 24, 2015 0:55:57 GMT -5
Interesting statistics. # China produces more than 90 percent of the global supply of rare earth elements. How much of that has to do with the BLM turning so much of the public lands where mining could be done in to preserves. Take a look at the Mojave preserve for example and how it is laid out. It was dedigned to encompass as many mines as they possibly could so they could not be reopened. I wonder how many rare earths can be found in that area considering the close proximity to the rare earth mine at stateline.
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Jan 24, 2015 1:51:56 GMT -5
Post by jamesp on Jan 24, 2015 1:51:56 GMT -5
Interesting statistics. # China produces more than 90 percent of the global supply of rare earth elements. How much of that has to do with the BLM turning so much of the public lands where mining could be done in to preserves. Take a look at the Mojave preserve for example and how it is laid out. It was dedigned to encompass as many mines as they possibly could so they could not be reopened. I wonder how many rare earths can be found in that area considering the close proximity to the rare earth mine at stateline. From Rich's article: "China is trying to help by voluntarily cutting back its rare earth exports. It has almost a monopoly, accounting for 97% of global trade in these 17 metallic elements. They are used in military and other high-technology applications, from guided missile steering systems and computer hard drives to hybrid electric automobile batteries. This has prompted China to recently cut back its exports to save its land from depletion (and also environmental pollution), and build up its own stockpile for future use. I have a modest suggestion. Let China raise the price from a few dollars a pound to a few hundred dollars a pound. According to theory put forth by Mr. Krugman, the U.S. Congress and other China bashers, this should slow Chinese exports. It certainly would help promote world peace and demilitarization, because these rare earths are key elements in military technology. China should build up its national security stockpile of these key metallic minerals for the future – say, the next prospective five years of exportation." Who knows what the motives of the government is concerning protection of resources on BLM land. Not so much scrutinization on collecting here in the east, interesting that we have much less mineral resources. Iron ore(we no longer make much steel), clay, granite, marble, coal, phosphate, etc, resources used for buildings, roads, energy, fertilizer and paper making. P.S. China building nuclear reactors at a record rate, huge scale reactors. How much fuel do they mine/manufacture ?
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Jan 24, 2015 1:58:44 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 1:58:44 GMT -5
Progressive ideology trumps American exceptionalism.
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Jan 24, 2015 2:09:00 GMT -5
Post by vegasjames on Jan 24, 2015 2:09:00 GMT -5
How much of that has to do with the BLM turning so much of the public lands where mining could be done in to preserves. Take a look at the Mojave preserve for example and how it is laid out. It was dedigned to encompass as many mines as they possibly could so they could not be reopened. I wonder how many rare earths can be found in that area considering the close proximity to the rare earth mine at stateline. From Rich's article: "China is trying to help by voluntarily cutting back its rare earth exports. It has almost a monopoly, accounting for 97% of global trade in these 17 metallic elements. They are used in military and other high-technology applications, from guided missile steering systems and computer hard drives to hybrid electric automobile batteries. This has prompted China to recently cut back its exports to save its land from depletion (and also environmental pollution), and build up its own stockpile for future use. I have a modest suggestion. Let China raise the price from a few dollars a pound to a few hundred dollars a pound. According to theory put forth by Mr. Krugman, the U.S. Congress and other China bashers, this should slow Chinese exports. It certainly would help promote world peace and demilitarization, because these rare earths are key elements in military technology. China should build up its national security stockpile of these key metallic minerals for the future – say, the next prospective five years of exportation." Who knows what the motives of the government is concerning protection of resources on BLM land. Not so much scrutinization on collecting here in the east, interesting that we have much less mineral resources. Iron ore(we no longer make much steel), clay, granite, marble, coal, phosphate, etc, resources used for buildings, roads, energy, fertilizer and paper making. P.S. China building nuclear reactors at a record rate, huge scale reactors. How much fuel do they mine/manufacture ? Because of China pretty much cornering the market on rare earths the price has gone up. I was talking to a friend of mine who owns a swimming pool supply. The electrodes for salt water systems use lanthanum, which went from $30/lb to $600/lb due to China being the only primary source. I personally think that part of the government's closing of mining areas is to allow China to deplete their supplies then some limited mining here can be allowed or increased so then we would be the primary supplier and screw China back on the price. I also think the BLM is engaged in these land grabs in part for their profits. They grab a bunch of land, hold in to it for a while then sell it off to developers, etc. Then the grab some more land, hold on to it for a while then sell it off repeating the process. If there are mining claims, etc. on those lands then it makes it harder to do this since they technically have to buy you out to get you off the land. It is like the guy who owned multiple claims where Yucca Mountain is. The government was forced to buy out his claims for $10,000 a claim.
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jamesp
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Jan 24, 2015 3:19:23 GMT -5
Post by jamesp on Jan 24, 2015 3:19:23 GMT -5
No telling vegasjames on both of those points. Sounds logical. The first point sounds to logical for government logic. LOL The second point is typical of government greed, and they are clever in that dept. LOL again
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Jan 24, 2015 4:03:58 GMT -5
Post by parfive on Jan 24, 2015 4:03:58 GMT -5
Government greed, eh?
Not on BLM coal leases. Ditto, Forest Service timber sales. 1872 mining law another hose job for the public.
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Jan 24, 2015 10:24:58 GMT -5
Post by jamesp on Jan 24, 2015 10:24:58 GMT -5
Government greed, eh? Not on BLM coal leases. Ditto, Forest Service timber sales. 1872 mining law another hose job for the public. "Ditto. Forest Service timber sales"-case in point, Ocala National Forest An unnatural monoculture sand pine shithole. a 300,000 acre sand pine corn field that practices illegal timbering operations. A sterile forest starving wildlife, suffering from erosion. Yep, the government can timber as it will, breaking all the rules. Growing money trees on our 'National Forest Land', destroying the habitat, void of hardwoods and prairies native to the area. Draining wetlands and filling the water ways w/sand. Making a fortune off of pulpwood trees. It would be fine if they did 50% production trees and left 50% natural. I would guess the ratio is 95% production and 5% natural. And they want to control our rock collecting and artifact hunting on these lands. if you ever get a chance to go there, get out of there and travel thru adjacent privately owned forests, they are beautiful. I am a plant man, I know this subject, they have brutalized that beautiful territory. a travesty
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