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Post by toiv0 on Feb 2, 2015 11:07:27 GMT -5
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Post by gingerkid on Feb 2, 2015 11:22:00 GMT -5
...I don't know i got them here but here they are... ROFL, yep, there they are. Gorgeous turquoise rings, toiv0!
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Post by radio on Feb 2, 2015 11:29:14 GMT -5
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Post by chassroc on Feb 2, 2015 11:42:50 GMT -5
Very nice rings
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Post by toiv0 on Feb 2, 2015 12:24:39 GMT -5
I have provenance on the california gem ring. It has changed hands in the last year and it was mined by the previous owner. If you would like to send me a PM I can give you the guys name and email so you can talk to him.
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Post by gingerkid on Feb 2, 2015 12:25:58 GMT -5
It is most definitely Varascite from the Prince mine in Nevada. Thanks for the clarification, radio. Have a block piece of variscite purchased as a specimen that has an unknown locality. Will have to post it once I take pics of it.
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Post by radio on Feb 2, 2015 12:28:27 GMT -5
I have provenance on the california gem ring. It has changed hands in the last year and it was mined by the previous owner. If you would like to send me a PM I can give you the guys name and email so you can talk to him. that would be appreciated as I am almost out of the material and it was a popular seller for me. Not sure why it mentioned as "California" though as the mine is in Nevada.
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Post by toiv0 on Feb 2, 2015 12:29:38 GMT -5
thanks to all who liked my work
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Post by toiv0 on Feb 2, 2015 12:34:56 GMT -5
I have provenance on the california gem ring. It has changed hands in the last year and it was mined by the previous owner. If you would like to send me a PM I can give you the guys name and email so you can talk to him. that would be appreciated as I am almost out of the material and it was a popular seller for me. Not sure why it mentioned as "California" though as the mine is in Nevada. This material was mined in San Bernadino california. I will get in touch with my friend then get you his contact
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Post by gingerkid on Feb 2, 2015 12:45:26 GMT -5
Yep, turquoise is found in California. "Over the years, the State's deposits have produced a substantial amount of turquoise. Deposits are located in San Bernardino, Imperial, and Inyo Counties. The material occurs as nodules and as vein filling. Most of the nodules are small in size, about the size of the end of your thumb, and the vein material is about 4 millimeters thick. In the better grade materials, the color varies from a pale to a dark blue, poorer grade materials are greenish-blue and green in color. Some of the material has yellow-brown limonite spider webbing. In the past, a number of turquoise mines operated in the State, several mines in each of the counties. Today, only a few are mine, and produce commercial Turquoise, none of which is easy to find. California Turquoise is really not marketed much at all. California also has instances of Variscite." - See more at: www.durangosilver.comOn the Tannenbaum mine: www.pe.com/articles/turquoise-682360-tannenbaum-mine.html
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Post by radio on Feb 2, 2015 12:49:00 GMT -5
that would be appreciated as I am almost out of the material and it was a popular seller for me. Not sure why it mentioned as "California" though as the mine is in Nevada. This material was mined in San Bernadino california. I will get in touch with my friend then get you his contact I think someone is taking you for a ride on the ID. I have talked numerous times with the mine owner, but not since early in '13, and I assure you, it is in Nevada I have sent him an e mail for clarification on the status of the mine Meanwhile, I would like for Shotgunner to check in and see if he knows of anything like that being mined in Ca. To my knowledge, nothing like that came out of of Ca. It is a dead ringer for the Prince material right down to color and pattern
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Post by radio on Feb 2, 2015 12:51:44 GMT -5
Yep, turquoise is found in California. "Over the years, the State's deposits have produced a substantial amount of turquoise. Deposits are located in San Bernardino, Imperial, and Inyo Counties. The material occurs as nodules and as vein filling. Most of the nodules are small in size, about the size of the end of your thumb, and the vein material is about 4 millimeters thick. In the better grade materials, the color varies from a pale to a dark blue, poorer grade materials are greenish-blue and green in color. Some of the material has yellow-brown limonite spider webbing. In the past, a number of turquoise mines operated in the State, several mines in each of the counties. Today, only a few are mine, and produce commercial Turquoise, none of which is easy to find. California Turquoise is really not marketed much at all. California also has instances of Variscite." - See more at: www.durangosilver.comOn the Tannenbaum mine: www.pe.com/articles/turquoise-682360-tannenbaum-mine.htmlI'm not saying there is no Turquoise or Variscite (variquoise) in California. Just that the material in the OP's pic is not from Ca
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Post by gingerkid on Feb 2, 2015 12:59:26 GMT -5
radio, toiv0's ring at the bottom 'looks like' variscite to me, also, particularly because of the webbing - which doesn't look like webbing seen in turquoise, but does look like the stuff seen in variscite that I've seen. But, I haven't seen any California turquoise before, so I do not know. You never know what Ma Nature will throw at you when it comes to minerals, gems, and rocks.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 13:02:54 GMT -5
I pay no attention to turquoise. Invariably its too small to sphere so I have ignored it. radio sorry I'm of no help on this one.
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Post by gingerkid on Feb 2, 2015 13:23:13 GMT -5
toiv0, I am enjoying seeing your jewelry pieces and wanted to ask how long have you been designing your own work? radio, I'm confused. I understand you think the material in the bottom ring is Nevada, but do you think the material in the piece is variscite or turquoise? um, okay, @shotgunner, couldn't help but chuckle at your reply.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 13:28:41 GMT -5
I think a daylight photo of the ring in question will solve this problem.
The yellow from the lights makes it look like variscite.
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Post by toiv0 on Feb 2, 2015 13:35:29 GMT -5
toiv0, I am enjoying seeing your jewelry pieces and wanted to ask how long have you been designing your own work? I've been working about 10 years silversmithing, i am in my 60s now. I only get about a month a year though to play with rocks and silver as i travel for my real work. I get to look at rocks all over though and have learned how to pack a flat rate large box with 45 to 50 lbs.
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Post by gingerkid on Feb 2, 2015 13:48:16 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing, toiv0, and we're glad to have you! ROFL @ being able to pack that many rocks in a large flat rate box. Do you have a website, etsy store, Facebook page or venue where you sell your pretties? If you do, please post it in your signature line. If you don't have either, you should! @shotgunner, good suggestion! I don't think toiv0 has the ring anymore though.
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Post by radio on Feb 2, 2015 14:06:45 GMT -5
toiv0, I am enjoying seeing your jewelry pieces and wanted to ask how long have you been designing your own work? radio, I'm confused. I understand you think the material in the bottom ring is Nevada, but do you think the material in the piece is variscite or turquoise? um, okay, @shotgunner, couldn't help but chuckle at your reply. In my experience and the description of the mine owner, it is Variscite, but the term "Variquoise" is often used to describe it as it so close element wise to Turquoise. The Prince mine is in very close proximity to the Damele mine and the New Lander and I'm also betting there is a lot of the Prince material being sold as the more valuable Lander/new lander material. The Lander mine was Turquoise, but the New Lander across the valley is considered Variscite and/or Chalcosiderite. It all gets pretty iffy and mis identification and mis representaion is rampant in both Turquoise and Variscite. It is my understanding from those who mine it, that Variscite contains only trace amounts, to no Copper, whereas Copper is present in all Turquoise. One would have to perform a test of the powdered material using Hydrochloric acid, then expose a drop of that to flame to determine if Copper is present by the color of the flame This makes sense when you consider that the Kingman and Sleeping Beauty are open pit Copper mines and these days, the Turquoise is basically a byproduct of Copper mining
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Post by radio on Feb 2, 2015 14:09:26 GMT -5
I think a daylight photo of the ring in question will solve this problem. The yellow from the lights makes it look like variscite. For clarification, I am referring to the ring with no beads around the bezel, and not the larger one with brown matrix present and the beading
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