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Post by captbob on Feb 18, 2015 15:52:25 GMT -5
Howdy all. This week's rock quest is Ohio Flint. I'm talking about the good stuff (as far as being flint goes), not the crap which has a lot of black in it as can be found on eBay recently. I've tried a couple on line sellers that I found using Google, and it looks like my buying impulse doesn't mesh well with their collecting season. That's really no biggie, I will try them again in the summer months. But, I figured it was worth a try here as well to see if anyone has a pile not buried in snow that they would care to part with some of... keeping in mind that this is flint, not some exotic imported material! Looking for larger pieces (10 pound range and 5 lb minimum), with the blues, reds and yellows being the predominate colors. Interested in 50 to 100 pounds, certainly doesn't have to all be from one seller. Not interested in a couple/few pounds from here & there, the shipping would make the dollar / cost per pound average way stupid. Here's a link to a seller I found online; he's snowbirding in Florida right now - said to call him back in a month when he will be back home. The picture along the left side of his home page is basically I'm looking for, just much bigger pieces. www.roymillerflintridge.com/index.htmlHaven't been able to reach Gary Hardy (another online seller) yet. Thanks!
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Post by jamesp on Feb 18, 2015 17:04:56 GMT -5
The knapping sites sell good stuff. Can't knap cracked trash.
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Post by orrum on Feb 18, 2015 17:43:53 GMT -5
Hey Roy Miller is the Flint Ridge man!!! He is worth waiting on. Look up Brad his buddy on flintridgerockbreaker.com. Brads stuff comes from Nethers Farm. Roy has his own quarry down the ridge a piece. Either one has knapping flint and cabbing flint. I guess you want cabbing Capt. They also have heat treated, it's really colorful!
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Post by Sabre52 on Feb 18, 2015 17:45:49 GMT -5
Howdy Bob, I got all mine from Gary Hardy, think most his pile would be buried in snow till later in the spring. Those blue colors you are looking at along the left side of the other guys page could be heat treated stuff. Knappers heat treat all their material to make it more intensely colored and more easily flaked. I've bought a lot of natural flint ridge over the years to cab or tumble and only rarely are the colors as intense as his pic. There are super colorful pieces sometimes but most is pinks, whites, golds, rust reds and blacks. I'd suggest seeing if you can't buy big pieces you've seen pics of first because if you get "mine run" un-heattreated stuff you might be disappointed. It can get real vuggy with crystal pockets and included fossils and sometimes pretty fractured too, nother reason to want to see pics first....Mel
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Post by captbob on Feb 19, 2015 0:53:42 GMT -5
Thanks guys!
I bought my first piece of this at a rock show a month or so ago. Nice muted blues & pinks in it. Nothing flashy, but something I figured I want a milk crate or two of.
Looks like I'll be putting this off until spring or whenever the snow thaws as far as the online guys. I'll keep trying to get ahold of Gary, but I'm in no rush and no one needs to dig about in snow for this! The knapping sites don't seem to have large chunks. I do not want heat treated material.
Still interested if anyone has a stockpile.
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Post by Fossilman on Feb 19, 2015 11:00:48 GMT -5
Roy Miller is the "King" of Ohio Flint..I have some coming from him,through another guy..Roy is high on prices,but it's good stuff,not junk...Thumbs up
I have buddy that knapp's for me and I have several points in my collection of Ohio Flint..(great colors)
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Post by dtcmor on Feb 19, 2015 23:50:49 GMT -5
Roy Miller or Gary Hardy are the ones to buy from. But also keep in mind that the really colorful pieces you are seeing have been heat treated. The dull stuff you see on ebay and other sites are the same thing only raw flint. Heat treating is what pops those fabulous colors out. Also it might be hard to find the 10lb + sizes that are heat treated because of all the crystals and fractures in the stone. These, when hidden inside a large piece, can cause the rock to literally explode and blow apart during the heating process. Most quality pieces will be in the 3-5lb range. It is a really tricky heating process for flint ridge because differnt temperatures bring out the differant colors in the stone. That is one of the reasons it is so high priced, as they only heat treat the highest quality stone to get those great colors. That and the fact that you literally have to sort through about 1000lbs of material to get about 25-50lbs of really good stuff for knapping, which is mainly what Roy Miller sells his pieces for. It just depends on what you want the stone for.
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Post by Sabre52 on Feb 20, 2015 0:04:11 GMT -5
Yes, I should have commented more on the sizes I got in my shipments too. I had a 20" saw at the time and ordered slabbing size rough from Gary Hardy. Very pretty rough but mainly in the 3-5 # range as dtcmor has said. Gary did supply a nice array of colors and patterns and I can't remember if I ordered really large sizes or not. He may have had larger hunks if I would have been more specific as to sizes. I was more concerned with getting a good cross section of what was available at the site. I got a good supply of tumble stuff from him too and it was exceptionally pretty. Overall flint ridge is one of my favorite rocks to tumble or cab and Gary came through with very nice material every time I ordered from him.......Mel
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Post by dtcmor on Feb 20, 2015 1:02:59 GMT -5
Mel - I hadn't read all of your reply when I posted so I hope I didn't step on your explanations. My son and I go to the Nether's farm a couple times a year to dig. It is possible to get really big pieces in the raw form, but as a knapper I have learned to go through every piece and only bring home the good stuff with no junk in it, which is alot smaller after I work it down in the pit. It is a bit different than Roy Millers flint that he mines closer to the park and on private properties. We still find some good colors here and there, but the Nether's is more of a grey/black/red scalloped pattern. There are a lot of reds, pinks oranges and blues, but not like Roy gets. Of course he heats his stone in a huge kiln and can control the temps to get everything just perfect. I do mine in a turkey roaster and can only get the lesser colors to come out, but it does improve it for knapping purposes. Roy has some great mining and heat treating videos on YouTube (RoyMillerFlintRidge) that go into great detail how he gets the right stone and what it looks like after its heated. Like you said, it is a seasonal thing as they cover the pits back up in winter to keep as much of the freeze/thaw process from ruining the deposites. I am hoping to make a trip at end of april, first week of may if the weather is good by then.
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Post by Sabre52 on Feb 20, 2015 10:09:04 GMT -5
*L* No toes stepped on at all. Having never been thee myself, I love to hear about the site, how the stone is processed etc. I'm always amazed by the number of patterns and colors available in that one area. I saw a cab one time that a guy had cut from one of the fortifications sometimes found in the flint that almost looked like a fairburn agate. Remarkable material!.....Mel
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Post by captbob on Feb 20, 2015 11:27:46 GMT -5
This is the piece I bought at the show, my first Ohio flint, and what got me interested in getting more of this material. And this is a pic I found on the internet with examples of what I'd like to end up with. It was the muted colors that attracted me. So the heated stuff really isn't what I'm after. Although they are quite different, it reminds me of Chapenite for some reason. It has a subtle beauty. I'll find it, just may have to back burner it awhile 'til it's warmer up north I reckon.
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Post by Jugglerguy on Feb 20, 2015 11:52:29 GMT -5
Have you seen this trip report? Of all the Flint Ridge flint pictures I've seen, these are the best by far. I didn't see any mention of heat treating. Are these natural or treated?
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Post by lparker on Feb 20, 2015 11:54:12 GMT -5
Come on up May 22-24 for the Spring knap-in...I'll be there.
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Feb 20, 2015 13:13:50 GMT -5
Have you seen this trip report? Of all the Flint Ridge flint pictures I've seen, these are the best by far. I didn't see any mention of heat treating. Are these natural or treated? Rob- That cab reminds me of this slab I have from my trip collecting there. This picture is dry and all natural not heated. I will say that this is the best of about 80 pounds though. This is from Nethers farm not the private sites. This slab was listed on my etsy for $12 till about 5 minutes ago. I just decided I need to cab this one myself. Chuck
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Post by Jugglerguy on Feb 20, 2015 16:55:57 GMT -5
I can't wait to see it!
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