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Post by 1dave on Mar 10, 2015 13:03:53 GMT -5
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Post by bushmanbilly on Mar 10, 2015 13:26:02 GMT -5
Your president..............Because he didn't write them.
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Post by fmelvis on Mar 10, 2015 17:45:00 GMT -5
I don't think anyone hates them. If you don't believe in god then the first 4 are meaningless. Don't covet? I don't know, doesn't seem like that big of a deal. I covet other peoples tumbles all the time. Honour your parents? Of course, that is if they deserve to be. If your dad is a drunken slob who likes to be beat his wife, then no. Adultery? It not the nicest thing but should be replaced with don't be a pedophile.
I think everyone can get behind the rest.
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Post by mohs on Mar 10, 2015 21:00:06 GMT -5
Dave you always have way of bring up uncontroversial subjects.
But I do believe the Ten Commandments have been misrepresented
ever since the world began
(or at least for a few centuries after).
Ya see there is an 11th Commandment that as always been left out
Let It Rock
this should clear up any confusion...
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Post by mohs on Mar 10, 2015 21:00:31 GMT -5
mostly
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Post by snowmom on Mar 11, 2015 5:54:55 GMT -5
waiting. I sense a discussion or dissertation coming. (1dave?)
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Post by grayfingers on Mar 11, 2015 7:30:13 GMT -5
The first four commandments tell us how God wants to be loved, and the last six commandments show how to demonstrate love for other people. I love them for that. Could have been worse...
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Post by mohs on Mar 11, 2015 10:14:30 GMT -5
Now I know what happened to the 11th commandment  some laws were just made to be broke  mostly |
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Post by Fossilman on Mar 11, 2015 10:15:52 GMT -5
I go by them all,always have-always will!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by kk on Mar 11, 2015 10:21:56 GMT -5
Aren't crosses, paintings, statues etc. "Idols"?
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Post by 1dave on Mar 11, 2015 16:07:49 GMT -5
I don't think anyone hates them. If you don't believe in god then the first 4 are meaningless. Don't covet? I don't know, doesn't seem like that big of a deal. I covet other peoples tumbles all the time. Honour your parents? Of course, that is if they deserve to be. If your dad is a drunken slob who likes to be beat his wife, then no. Adultery? It not the nicest thing but should be replaced with don't be a pedophile. I think everyone can get behind the rest. Really? You haven't noticed all the hate directed at having them removed from public locations? Atheists especially hate them along with crosses, school prayer, Easter, the Christmas season, . . . Muslims hate them because they are Jewish. Politicians hate them because they don't want to be told what to do. Can't bear false witness against opponents? Who would ever win office? Can't lie? Have sex with anyone any time? Pedophiles and rapists ditto. Why do Progressives - Liberals - Democrats hate the Ten Commandments? 1. they don't believe in God 2. They love pornography 3. delight in swearing 4. Golfing 5. No respect for their parents or children 6. Sometimes you just have to kill someone 7.They deserve all the sex they can get 8.. How are they going to get rich if they can't steal? 9. Bearing false witness is the best way to destroy your opponents. 10. Success is all about coveting and stealing. |
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Post by grayfingers on Mar 11, 2015 16:17:28 GMT -5
Aren't crosses, paintings, statues etc. "Idols"? Kurt, it would depend on whom one asks this question of. That very question is no small part of the reason the separatists and Puritans split from the Catholic-based Church of England. To my understanding, in terms of the Congregationalist (Puritan) beliefs and their progeny, (the Protestant Reformation based churches); would say that statues and paintings are fine as lone as they are not worshiped. A cross, statue or painting would be a symbolic rememberance as opposed to an object of direct worship. |
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Post by fmelvis on Mar 11, 2015 19:40:02 GMT -5
I don't know Dave I mean your making a lot of assumptions about liberals and democrats. I'm sure a few republicans like porn. I don't think you need stone tablets everywhere to remind people not to kill.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2015 21:45:18 GMT -5
As a secular absolutist I have no opinion of the Ten Commandments. Similarly, I make no judgement on those that feel deeply about them. I know right from wrong, yet recognize right for you and me may be different. I accept that.
I hope others would too.
Yes, certain extreme actions such as murder and rape are always wrong. I stipulate we agree on all of those.
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Post by kk on Mar 12, 2015 9:01:41 GMT -5
Aren't crosses, paintings, statues etc. "Idols"? Kurt, it would depend on whom one asks this question of. That very question is no small part of the reason the separatists and Puritans split from the Catholic-based Church of England. To my understanding, in terms of the Congregationalist (Puritan) beliefs and their progeny, (the Protestant Reformation based churches); would say that statues and paintings are fine as lone as they are not worshiped. A cross, statue or painting would be a symbolic remembrance as opposed to an object of direct worship. That's my personal problem with organized belief-systems. I have been born into Roman Catholicism, have had the fortune to experience and learn lots of different forms of belief-systems round the world. While I will never declare myself anything else than a Catholic, I have learned most of my understanding today from so-called Philosophies, rather than organized Religions. Personally, I know that I got a direct line, so I have no need for idols to interact with higher powers. There is a lot of misunderstanding about idols around the world. As example, we commonly claim that Hinduism has thousands, if not millions of gods (even Hindus themselves do  ). But have a closer look, and it becomes clear, that animals, plants, rocks etc., are not worshiped as such, but any worship goes towards their creator that made them possible in the first place. In Christianity, we are told that god made us in his image. In many cultures, god created everything in his image and acknowledging that is communion in itself. Those things become idols at the moment where they become intermediaries between the believer and the holy. When it comes to personality cults, then the word god is often thrown around. But again, in most cultures that I got the chance to learn a bit about, there is a clear line that separates "The one" from all the others, and hence all the others could be seen in our Western mind as the equivalent of Saints/teachers of the past(imagined or real), and all the stories attributed to them. |
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Post by mohs on Mar 12, 2015 9:58:11 GMT -5
I’m wondering what type of rock slabs these commandments were engraved on? I’m no Biblical scholar-- yet no Babylon slouch either. Does it mention the name & location of the mountain Moses ascended to receive these slabs? What type of rock properties does this mountains contain? Is it volcanic in nature?
Let it Rock
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Post by 1dave on Mar 12, 2015 11:12:29 GMT -5
I don't know Dave I mean your making a lot of assumptions about liberals and democrats. I'm sure a few republicans like porn. I don't think you need stone tablets everywhere to remind people not to kill. Right! up until 1960 I was a Democrat. I've watched the Progressives or whatever they are calling themselves from time to time, take over and everything they touch turns to ****. And YES there are progressives trying to take control of the republican party too. There are good and bad people in every group - BUT THAT GROUP has beliefs I cannot abide. |
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Post by 1dave on Mar 12, 2015 11:45:45 GMT -5
The last 6 are the basis for most legal-judicial systems in the world.
I cannot understand the present press to trash them and replace them with Sharia Law - an obviously inferior collection.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2015 14:10:31 GMT -5
Well, as a personal thought excercise I looked at the second group of 6.
#5 is for children. As an adult I disagree that I must immediately honor two people simply because they donated tiny bits of DNA. In my world, respect is earned, not automatic.
#6 obvious
#7 do spouses get to define what adultery to them in a very personal way? Or is your scary man in the sky that judgemental?
#8 obvious
#9 do not lie? "No, that dress does not make you look fat" is dooming me to hades?
#10 do not covet - lol - huh? this caused me to do a bit of googling. I think the image in your OP has greatly changed what was said in your bible. Kind of like a bad game of "telephone"
Now that the covet thing is more clearly defined, I promise not to covet your home nor your beasts of burden... etc.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2015 14:12:28 GMT -5
and based on this one:
The Taliban had it correct in destroying all those idols in the middle east. Seems like some religions have similar stuff. Cool!
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). But have a closer look, and it becomes clear, that animals, plants, rocks etc., are not worshiped as such, but any worship goes towards their creator that made them possible in the first place. In Christianity, we are told that god made us in his image. In many cultures, god created everything in his image and acknowledging that is communion in itself. Those things become idols at the moment where they become intermediaries between the believer and the holy. 
