jamesp
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Post by jamesp on Apr 18, 2015 7:20:40 GMT -5
There is a lot of fine material being presented on this forum glennz01. I would say very competitively priced. And the people here are good communicators and have good photos of their offerings. Many long term trade arrangements have been established without conflict and misunderstandings. Look at how they accomplish these business arrangements. Study the accomplished folks methods. There is etiquette and grace involved. Clear understandings. Take kap for instance; he is an old veteran rock salesman. If I were him I would be insulted at your statement: "Its all good stuff, I just mean that I don't need any more on top of what you sent. I have enough onix, sodalite, and the other things to last a while  " He sent you pictures like he did a hundred times before and probably had very few complaints. He is tested proven and trustworthy. I will tell you right now that you did not pay close attention to his photos. I know also that you need to cultivate better business etiquettes. and better photos. Just advise dude. For example, I am confused by your statement below, did you open lap's box on not ? "I did get the box from Kap, haven't opened it yet as it has been damaged (torn open) during shipping with a sticker from the post office saying sorry. Also, I didn't mention Kap as he sent me AZ Onix, sodalite, green aventurine and a few other things... not colorful agates, and the other stuff that i'm still looking for. I do appoligise for that confusion, at least that is what I thought in the morning." After reading your statement I am confused. Are you are complaining about the contents of a box you have not opened ? From a reputable dealer ? |
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Post by kap on Apr 18, 2015 7:28:43 GMT -5
Sorry for the panic! I just always try and send what a customer wants and make things right if a problem occurs. I'm glad everything made it even with the P.O. trying to destroy the box! |
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Post by roy on Apr 18, 2015 11:35:08 GMT -5
I use to have 45 Paint horses at any given moment. I raised em, trained em, bred em, and sold them. I priced them at what they were worth to me... Sometimes they sold fast, sometimes slow but they sold for what I wanted for them. Every man's home is his castle! It takes a poor frog that won't brag on his own pond! Just my 2 cents worth. that is true and some funny shit there!!!! |
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Post by roy on Apr 18, 2015 11:39:33 GMT -5
No one is going to buy that stuff. i agree that this stuff is not priced rite but what i dont agree with is to treat this guy this way in public ! if you have a problem with this guy take it up with him some were ealse please ! we have alway been a tight nit community here full of support and kindness! LETS KEEP IT THAT WAY! |
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Post by glennz01 on Apr 18, 2015 11:53:17 GMT -5
There is a lot of fine material being presented on this forum glennz01. I would say very competitively priced. And the people here are good communicators and have good photos of their offerings. Many long term trade arrangements have been established without conflict and misunderstandings. Look at how they accomplish these business arrangements. Study the accomplished folks methods. There is etiquette and grace involved. Clear understandings. Take kap for instance; he is an old veteran rock salesman. If I were him I would be insulted at your statement: "Its all good stuff, I just mean that I don't need any more on top of what you sent. I have enough onix, sodalite, and the other things to last a while " He sent you pictures like he did a hundred times before and probably had very few complaints. He is tested proven and trustworthy. I will tell you right now that you did not pay close attention to his photos. I know also that you need to cultivate better business etiquettes. and better photos. Just advise dude. For example, I am confused by your statement below, did you open lap's box on not ? "I did get the box from Kap, haven't opened it yet as it has been damaged (torn open) during shipping with a sticker from the post office saying sorry. Also, I didn't mention Kap as he sent me AZ Onix, sodalite, green aventurine and a few other things... not colorful agates, and the other stuff that i'm still looking for. I do appoligise for that confusion, at least that is what I thought in the morning." After reading your statement I am confused. Are you are complaining about the contents of a box you have not opened ? From a reputable dealer ? I think you guys are reading my comments and trying to find ways to make it think i'm not happy or something.... first off Kap filled my need for onix, sodalite, and green aventurine. Is it bad to say that because of him I wouln't need any more as what I now have of that material will last a while? If someone told me that I would be glad for the person. To the point that I said I did not open the box I did not open it as I wanted to dockument it just in case. I trust kap and the way that the box was broken seems odd (the whole bottom came open) so ether the box got wet or someone slabbed it hard or something. Also whos to say that the post office people wouldn't take the rocks kap sent because they wanted them and put some slate in the box instead. (I am referring to the post office people if I didn't make that clear enough). Afterwords I did open the box though. as for the second statement he sent me what he could fit in the box of what I was looking for. I am still looking for bornite and other things that could not be fit in a box and he may or may not have had them to begin with. Therefor when I say I had no offers on bornite and say angelite, I really mean that noone offered for those rock types. Kap send me onyx and azurite sodalite so to say that he made an offer for bornite and angelite would be incorrect, because if I said that he did make an offer (for bornite and angelite) than everyone would think that I turned him down on the offer since I did not receive bornite and angelite. I reread that last sentence you quote and it still makes perfect sense to me... its just like saying I asked for an xbox 360 so X sent it but he did not send a PS3 in which I am still looking for. I don't know how you guys see that I may be disappointing at what I got... If I was disappointing I would use a lot different word choice and I would not discuss it openly. No problem kap, after reading that the box was broken and being confused towards the post comments I might be confused as well. After I opened the box I did find an agate amongst the paper. |
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jamesp
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Post by jamesp on Apr 18, 2015 12:16:07 GMT -5
No problem glennz01. I was just pointing out some issues with your approach that have been discussed in the past. Good to see you interested in the hobby. |
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Post by gingerkid on Apr 18, 2015 12:20:58 GMT -5
glennz01, you may want to pm @rocks2dust and ask if he may have some bornite. I remember that he had a couple of specimens of it for sale at reasonable prices or he may trade for some Alaskan materials since he collects gems and minerals from the US, but, you will have to ask him to find out. I've seen some angelite slabs for sale at Blairrock that you may want to check into.
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Apr 18, 2015 13:44:22 GMT -5
buying, selling and trading of rocks is very delicate business. Sure seems that most disagreements on the forum stem from this category. Good quality descriptions (including weight and sizes) and photos are the #1 most important thing. I will not buy anything here or on ebay unless I am comfortable with the photos posted. My only exception is a few sellers here on RTH where I know from past experience that I can just say I need X # of pounds of X type of rock.
Chuck
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Post by glennz01 on Apr 18, 2015 23:15:00 GMT -5
glennz01, you may want to pm @rocks2dust and ask if he may have some bornite. I remember that he had a couple of specimens of it for sale at reasonable prices or he may trade for some Alaskan materials since he collects gems and minerals from the US, but, you will have to ask him to find out. I've seen some angelite slabs for sale at Blairrock that you may want to check into. Thanks ginger, As for photos, come time in May and I will have the time to take wet photos of all the large slabs and stuff... A few locals are wanting some stuff as well so I might not even have em too much longer. |
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Post by gingerkid on Apr 18, 2015 23:18:45 GMT -5
That's good that you have some people interested in your materials, glennz01, and glad I could help. |
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Post by MrP on Apr 19, 2015 8:21:51 GMT -5
Be respectful? How about being respectful to the new people who are just starting in this hobby? We have many members on the board that sell quality material at a fair price, and have had members who have taken advantage of people starting in this hobby. I am not saying that glennz01 is setting out to do that but members who have been in this hobby have stated that the material is not worth the asking price.
When I was a new member here I tried to buy rough from members but was always too late, Dang. I finally found a MFR box that was not taken, looked at the pic's and was thrilled I was able to get it. After receiving the box I realized the seller did a GOOD job of taking pic's. I then understood why I was able to buy the box. As a new member I didn't feel I had a right to say anything and of course the seller never asked what I thought of the material, he knew! Was I wrong in not saying anything? YES because I saw other new members by S$$T from these people. The good thing is that these people have left.
I see no problem with people speaking up about the value of material. If you have been following his sale threads you will see this is not the only thread where value has been commented on. I wonder if there is a reason for that.
Yes buyer beware, but there is no reason for the knowing to not help out the people starting in this hobby. Both seller and buyer can learn.
Of course this is just my opinion........................MrP |
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Post by deb193redux on Apr 19, 2015 9:09:15 GMT -5
It is tricky to do without causing contention, but I agree with Mr.P that discussing value of offerings is a possible service to less experienced buyers. On the other hand you do not want to sabotage someone's offer to sell unless there is a real issue.
Usually this happens when several people comment "LOOKS LIKE GOOD DEAL" - but sometimes there can be a question of whether it is higher than alternatives.
It does seem (to me) out of bounds to tell someone ugly things in the rock forums (I can imagine cases in the "everything" forum). Remarks to convey info, or even remarks to convey frustration are one thing. Remarks to hurt are another thing.
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Post by gingerkid on Apr 19, 2015 11:11:32 GMT -5
It is tricky to do without causing contention, but I agree with Mr.P that discussing value of offerings is a possible service to less experienced buyers. On the other hand you do not want to sabotage someone's offer to sell unless there is a real issue. Usually this happens when several people comment "LOOKS LIKE GOOD DEAL" - but sometimes there can be a question of whether it is higher than alternatives. It does seem out of bounds to tell someone that ugly things in the rock forums (I can imagine cases in the "everything" forum). Remarks to convey info, or even remarks to convey frustration are one thing. Remarks to hurt are another thing. I agree. In this case, Glenn is just getting started trying to sell his lapidary materials. He has asked in several threads how he should sell his materials, and I've tried to make suggestions to him via pm. How Glenn decides to sell or price his goods are up to him, and I will respect his decision whether I agree with it or not. I have purchased an Alaskan prehnite from glennz01 that he self-collected, and it is a very nice mineral specimen. Comments like this are hateful and rude, and pissed me off: ETA: No one is going to buy that stuff. At Q a bunch of people were talking about your rocks and laughing at you. No one who knows what they are doing wants that stuff. There is a big difference between 'constructive criticism' and being nasty. |
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Post by glennz01 on Apr 22, 2015 1:41:32 GMT -5
Well this next thursday the 30th or friday I will do what gingerkid suggested.. Weather or not I put the boxes for sale on here again I will see... but I did find out that other people on here and st shows (who actively sell) sell the same material i'm selling for a little bit more than i'm asking (they are asking/ receiving $2-3 per slab). If anyone is interested in the material pm me.. I might just send pics via pming if I do not post on here again. |
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Post by jamesp on Apr 22, 2015 9:34:31 GMT -5
Well this next thursday the 30th or friday I will do what gingerkid suggested.. Weather or not I put the boxes for sale on here again I will see... but I did find out that other people on here (who actively sell) sell the same material i'm selling for a little bit more than i'm asking (they are asking/ receiving $2-3 per slab). If anyone is interested in the material pm me.. I might just send pics via pming. Hint Glenn-I would not mention/compare what 'other people' are selling. It is not so professional. Mentioning their prices is a bit of a form of hearsay unless you mention their names which is not professional either. Better to just offer your product with good photos and description and let it sell itself. Food for thought. |
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Post by unclesoska on Apr 22, 2015 10:39:54 GMT -5
Glen, I know you haven't asked for this help, but as a former Pro, may I suggest that you photograph your rocks on something white- paper or a clean white bed sheet. Try to use something that doesn't contain patterns. Pictures taken on your lovely carpet do not do your stones justice. Perhaps you were in a hurry, but I believe these little changes will make a big difference.
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Post by glennz01 on Apr 22, 2015 14:21:07 GMT -5
Well this next thursday the 30th or friday I will do what gingerkid suggested.. Weather or not I put the boxes for sale on here again I will see... but I did find out that other people on here (who actively sell) sell the same material i'm selling for a little bit more than i'm asking (they are asking/ receiving $2-3 per slab). If anyone is interested in the material pm me.. I might just send pics via pming. Hint Glenn-I would not mention/compare what 'other people' are selling. It is not so professional. Mentioning their prices is a bit of a form of hearsay unless you mention their names which is not professional either. Better to just offer your product with good photos and description and let it sell itself. Food for thought. Well I know that my pricing is below market pricing due to further reaserch. I kinda figured that the slabs were worth that as on quite a few slabs the values hade wrote on the slabs (the ones that came from an assortment of stuff I bought) (some of them are in the $4 range if I recall) I will probably lay out some paper for pics next time |
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Post by broseph82 on Apr 22, 2015 14:43:34 GMT -5
You always compare your asking price with "people in your area". Why are you selling on here if people nearby are selling for higher? You'd be undercutting them all and selling your stuff without having to ship it. From everything I've gathered people want colors and patterns. I haven't seen much from your area. Join some groups on FB. Type in 'lapidary' and you'll see some buy/sell groups and even auctions where you might have a better chance at offloading what you have. People on this board (the regulars) are very particular in what they want and get. Try meeting the market with material and price and you'll do a lot better. Everytime I see you sell something someone comes in and will bash your price a bit. Almost immediately you'll backpedal and tell everyone you'll try somewhere else and it leads to like 3 or 4 comments in a row from you. That to me just puts you in a bigger hole. I have nothing against you, your rocks, nor your prices, but with what you have most on here don't want it. If you can get your hands on some quality opals or even huge chunks of your 'local amber' I can guarantee you'll sell that fairly quickly even on this site. Cliffs: Try selling on FB groups or auctions Hope this helps some glennz01 |
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Post by jamesp on Apr 22, 2015 15:39:39 GMT -5
Yea Glenn, you should have some fine materials that few people can get. Maybe concentrating on local materials. Nothing sells better than attractive hard to find stuff.
But no matter how good your product is, you got to have good etiquette or you will run people off and not sell anything.
Customers, you got to appeal to your customers. Safest way is good price/product/pictures/description.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 16:15:46 GMT -5
Glenn, we are back to the very same lesson in one of your first threads about your improved tumbling technique.
You are new and those that have walked this planet decades longer than you have qualified opinion. When they offer kind and gentle advice, it is time to take notice and listen.
IMHO I don't see one $0.25 slab in any of your images. If you see similar stuff selling for your asking prices it must be a local phenomenon in Alaska. Take the sage advice offered here and reconsider your presentation.
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