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Post by snowmom on Apr 18, 2015 4:59:57 GMT -5
I see a lot about it in the news, especially about the fighting over crops irrigation and things like fines for taking too long showers. I would like to hear from members who are in drought stricken areas, get an 'on the ground' report and hear insights and comments.
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Post by orrum on Apr 18, 2015 8:05:17 GMT -5
The farmers in Ca. Sold their water rights to the big corporations and towns for more money than they can make farming.
I grew up on a family farm, heard non farm people all my life complaining about farm price supports and subsidies from the government. They kept the farmers raising the crops to feed us and not just what was profitable. Now the big corporations bought out all the price supports and allotments....milk, peanuts, tobacco, eggs, chickens, hogs, sugar cane etc.
I hope all those folks that "wanted them farmers to make it on their own like other businesses" choke on that $6 dollar hamburger and $2 loaf of bread!
Farmers buy their input to grow crops at retail prices and sell the product at wholesale prices. They plant the crop perfectly and fertilize etc perfect and it rains too much, rains too little, rains at the wrong time, gets too hot too polinate, gets to cool and the young beans abort. I could go on but I hope yall get the picture.
Corporate America will grow what it wants and you will PAY what they want for it or some other country that is hungry will happily buy it out from under us. Learn to love rice and beans!
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Post by Sabre52 on Apr 18, 2015 8:22:29 GMT -5
My best friend back in Commiefornia was a commercial pest control adviser for orchards in the southern valley. He's retired now as many of his groves are now gone and Commiefornia's failed plant quarantine system has allowed too many new pests into the state. He's told me many a sad story about his growers having to pull out whole groves of food producing trees while a bit south in Bakersfield. CAL Trans is watering the ornamentals along the freeway with on scalding days where most the water evaporates before it hits the ground. Commiefornia grows a lot of the nation's food and we have a lot of folks to feed so food growing needs to be a priority, but you know how it is in Commiefornia, you can't cure stupid. Hell they've re elected that dumbass Gov. Moonbeam countless times.
On a lighter note, we just scored another 1 1/4 inches of rain here in Texas yesterday and we are as green as Scotland. Whoo hoo!.....Mel
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Post by Fossilman on Apr 18, 2015 8:54:55 GMT -5
Are there no water reservoirs in California........... ?
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Post by Sabre52 on Apr 18, 2015 11:36:32 GMT -5
Fossilman, Due to the freaking greenies, California has not built a new reservoir in years and years. And they make them release water from existing reservoirs to streams to run to the ocean to preserve fish species no one gives a damn about like the delta smelt. In Ventura County where I lived, every time it rains the Santa Clara River floods and sends millions upon millions of gallons of wasted southern California rain water to the ocean...Mel
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Post by jakesrocks on Apr 18, 2015 12:02:45 GMT -5
Are there no water reservoirs in California........... ? Mike, one comes to mind. Lake Mathews in Riverside Co. It's 4 miles long by 2 miles wide. The lake is full of some of the largest bass you could ever want to catch.(Want to being the key words here). The lake if closed to all recreational use.
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Post by parfive on Apr 18, 2015 13:19:56 GMT -5
Siberia’s on fire. Who’s next?
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Post by spiritstone on Apr 18, 2015 14:12:02 GMT -5
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Post by parfive on Apr 18, 2015 15:42:48 GMT -5
Banner year in the NWT last year, eh?
Two in a row?
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Post by spiritstone on Apr 18, 2015 17:42:30 GMT -5
Banner year in the NWT last year, eh? Two in a row? Sorry bud! 4th year in a row. Last big one was in Slave lake.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 13:11:33 GMT -5
Are there no water reservoirs in California........... ? Mono Lake, diamond valley lake which dwarfs Mathews are all important. All lakes and all reservoirs lower level than in memory. We are getting tickets for not watering lawns...
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Post by mohs on Apr 19, 2015 13:49:42 GMT -5
your getting tickets for not watering? is that a good thing ?
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Post by drocknut on Apr 19, 2015 14:20:47 GMT -5
You'd think you would get good citizenship awards for not wasting water on the lawn.
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Post by mohs on Apr 19, 2015 15:14:01 GMT -5
I just used 4 Folger Coffee containers this morning to wet my grinding wheels on grinding this heart
is that excessive?
it took that much coffee to get me woke up Ha Ha
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Post by rockjunquie on Apr 19, 2015 15:50:56 GMT -5
I'm glad you brought this up snowmom. I was wondering how our Western friends were doing with the restrictions and drought. Here in Hampton Roads/Tidewater we've seen our share of drought in past years. Nothing like what y'all are seeing, but I can remember some pretty tough restrictions.
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Post by Fossilman on Apr 19, 2015 16:45:21 GMT -5
Getting dry here in Oregon too...................Not good....
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Post by spiritstone on Apr 19, 2015 21:46:43 GMT -5
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Post by booboo on Apr 20, 2015 0:48:14 GMT -5
I got back from mammoth lakes ca a few days ago for some R and R. some of the food places we stopped at to get some grub won't even bring out water to you unless you ask for it in a bid to save some H2o...it was alarming to say the least
joe
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Post by vegasjames on Apr 20, 2015 1:02:11 GMT -5
They won't really admit to publicly that we are in a drought since it would hurt tourism and housing sales. But it was not all that long ago that the water at the dam was going over the spillway with the gates as high as they could go. Now the lake is down over 100 feet and the average depth is only 400' to begin with with sloped in canyons. So the more the water goes down the faster it will go. Still they have all sorts of man made lakes here, especially a the casinos and a few rich housing areas that evaporate water like crazy. And they are not doing much to halt new building, which uses a lot of water to keep the dust down and to mix the cement alone. In fact, there has been talk of building 5 stadiums here and they just broke ground a few days ago for a new water park.
Just a few years ago all ponds without fish and misting systems were banned for all except for the casinos because they bring in tourists. And that was when the water levels was higher.
They have also stated that the lake only has to drop about another 30 feet before they can no longer produce electricity at the dam. 90% of that electricity goes to Los Angeles and the res to Arizona.
Before the bubble burst the estimates were that at the rate the lake was dropping that Lake Mead would have been dry by 2016 at the latest. Ironically the housing bubble bursting is what actually saved Las Vegas, at least for a while longer.
They have also been hiding a lot of other facts from people in the housing market. For example, one area of town was condemned a while back because houses were literally sinking in to the ground. I was in the market at the time and told my realtor that I was looking for a fixer upper because I enjoy working on houses. The realtor called me and told me she had found a 4 bedroom house for $10,000 in Windsor Park. Obviously something was wrong, but I went to check it out anyway. The yard has massive cracks in it as if it were in a major earthquake and the house itself was literally at a 40 degree angle sinking in to the ground from the groundwater being taken out. Shortly afterward the whole area was condemned, what houses could be salvaged were and the rest leveled.
Shortly afterward they found out City Hall was sinking in the ground for the same reason. They since pawned the building off to Zappos.
Mandalay Bay casino is also sinking, and has already sunk 6 feet from reports.
Other areas of town that are also expected to sink have already been mapped out by the the USGS, but they are still building and selling homes on these spots.
The politicians,casino executives and builders here act like we have unlimited water, which is not the case. In the meantime the Las Vegas Water Authority is doing everything they can to steal water from Central Eastern Nevada, which is owned by the reservations, farmers and even the State of Utah since that water table goes under the border of Nevada and Utah.
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Post by parfive on Apr 20, 2015 1:45:55 GMT -5
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