mrzulu
starting to spend too much on rocks

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Post by mrzulu on May 20, 2015 12:16:52 GMT -5
I need some guidance. That said, I'm not on food stamps and not quite old enough for SSA!  I am, however, on a fixed income thanks to the VA. Ok... Ever since I decided to start doing something with the hordes of rocks overtaking my quarters, I've been having dreams, nightly, where I am clearly fashioning and working with creations that require molten metals as well as wrapping. Several of the pieces are clearly hybrid using intricate wrapping (this is where it gets weird) and poured metals. I can't tell what kind of metal; and, in one dream sequence, I am pouring from a crucible with tongs into a mold of a rather larger butterfly with four freeform cabs sitting next to the mold... Then I wake up... Is it possible to construct an affordable silver smithing station in my camp trailer. I need it to be compact and mobile because I need "off the grid" capabilities. I am already near completion for my cabbing, carving, polishing and wrapping station. Any help and suggestions are greatly appreciated! Michael
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Post by orrum on May 20, 2015 14:19:46 GMT -5
If you are a rubber tire tramp like me then go to Quartzsite Az. this winter aND join the club there. You will learn all about silver smithing and casting. Lok me up, I am the one legged cowboy, teach Hillbilly Wire Twisting there. It's a form of cold forging. You will also see others artist there with every travel trailer hobby setup in the world! It's a must do for any rock lover.
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Don
Cave Dweller
He wants you too, Malachi.
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Post by Don on May 20, 2015 14:58:11 GMT -5
Here's some ideas:
plumber's propane torch from hardware store, plus a couple fuel tanks. charcoal block or fire brick for soldering surface. harbor freight tongs, tweasers, third hand. second-hand small crock pot an acid for pickling metal. traditional pickling acid, or if you can't afford it, use diluted muratic acid, or vinegar. pair of copper tongs. set of bastard files set of fine jewelry files sand paper in various grits metal shears round, flat, needle smooth jaw pliers.
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mrzulu
starting to spend too much on rocks

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Post by mrzulu on May 20, 2015 15:01:53 GMT -5
That's a good future journey.
I'm only 6 weeks post surgery. I still have some recovery ahead.
Total hip replacement. I just made my longest journey out this mourning.
I feel good! (Duh da, duh da, duh da, da, da!)
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mrzulu
starting to spend too much on rocks

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Post by mrzulu on May 20, 2015 15:04:28 GMT -5
Hmmm...
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liz
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Post by liz on May 20, 2015 15:06:20 GMT -5
ph down works well for pickle in the crock pot,same as sparex but cheaper 1tbs per gallon
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mrzulu
starting to spend too much on rocks

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Post by mrzulu on May 20, 2015 15:10:37 GMT -5
All that available at harbor? I have an old crock pot.
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mrzulu
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Post by mrzulu on May 20, 2015 15:14:29 GMT -5
I'll get a couple small crucibles from Rio Grande
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Post by orrum on May 20, 2015 15:18:48 GMT -5
Hey Liz what's pH down?
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Post by drocknut on May 20, 2015 15:42:18 GMT -5
Please keep us updated, I'd be interested to know what you come up with for a set up. Cool dreams by the way. I usually only dream of marshmallows and wake up to find my pillow missing..haha. Glad to hear you are getting out and about. Hope you have a speedy recovery.
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Post by rockpickerforever on May 20, 2015 16:15:10 GMT -5

Used in spas to bring pH down. Pick up at Home Depot, $10 for 5 lb. Smaller sizes available.
Bill, did you ever get an answer about what a Sunshine Cloth is? 
I usually pick up a couple in Quartzsite when I'm there. Rio Grande also sells them ($2.50 plus shipping), many others. I like them, they work great! Jean
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mrzulu
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Post by mrzulu on May 20, 2015 17:06:07 GMT -5
Rio Grande rocks!!!
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mrzulu
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Post by mrzulu on May 20, 2015 17:26:16 GMT -5
Please keep us updated, I'd be interested to know what you come up with for a set up. Cool dreams by the way. I usually only dream of marshmallows and wake up to find my pillow missing..haha. Glad to hear you are getting out and about. Hope you have a speedy recovery. I shall and thank you!:cool:
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Post by orrum on May 20, 2015 18:28:58 GMT -5
Yes Jean I found the sunshine clothes. Somebody Told me, Can't remember who. Thanks tho gor remembering me.
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Post by Pat on May 20, 2015 20:59:57 GMT -5
We use pH Down, too, from pool department of Home Depot. I use one heaping tablespoon in our mini-crock pot. Sunshine Cloth is a tad better than the Pro Pads. Both good.
Needle nose files from Harbor Freight. Lots of ok stuff at Harbor Freight, but not their mini-butane torch. Don't get a plastic torch.
Your old crock pot should work. You can get a $10 mini-crock pot from Bed Bath and Beyond. Brand is Tru. It's small, about the size of two hamburger buns stacked.
I'd also suggest a fire extinguisher, and a long leather apron (Rio), which saves you the trouble of crawling under your work bench.
A flash light is also handy for finding small pieces of metal on the floor.
Hmmm, a jewelers saw and blades, and bench pin with anvil, mini-butane torch (not for casting).
Reverse tweezers third-hand.
All this and the above sounds like a lot, but the items are small and would fit in a box. Good ventilation.
Good luck! It's fun.
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mrzulu
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Post by mrzulu on May 20, 2015 21:17:34 GMT -5
Nice! Thanks, Pat!
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mrzulu
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Post by mrzulu on May 20, 2015 23:12:43 GMT -5
Would oxy/acetylene torch work or is that too much?
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Post by Pat on May 20, 2015 23:32:59 GMT -5
I've only cast once or twice. Used the oxygen acetalene torch both times. Worked well. Depends on amount of silver to be melted. I think we used 1-2 ounces per occasion.
Hope others can help here!
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Post by radio on May 22, 2015 19:06:08 GMT -5
Prince silver puff from Monster Slayer is hands down the best polishing thing I have found. It's almost like a ladies makeup puff, but impregnated with the polishing compound. One will easily last me 6 months polishing all the items in my two 6 foot retail display cases every couple of weeks. One puff would likely last the home user at least several years.
Cross lock tweezers are an indispensable item as is a solder pick
Instead of a third hand, go to a pottery shop and buy a K-26 kiln insulating brick, then to wally world for a small box of straight pins. The K-26 isn't a red fire brick, but a soft, white ceramic of some sort and is the best soldering block you can buy and is even better than a charcoal brick. Use the pins stuck in the brick to hold your work and the brick reflects the heat back into the piece and doesn't act like a heat sink like third hands will do. When the surface gets a bit rough or crumbled, take it outside and scrub it on the sidewalk or a concrete block to restore the surface.
You will need a set of small 6 inch files from HF and some silicone carbide sandpaper in an assortment of grits starting at 400-600 and up to 1,000-1,200. I use tapered sanding sticks with pre cut sanding belts, but you can get by with sand paper and reworked popsicle or craft sticks. Silver is kind of like woodworking. you have to go through some progressively finer sanding to get tool marks and scratches out. If not, you will end up with a satin finish instead of a mirror bright shine on the silver. If you are having trouble with fire scale (and you will) you can use a boric acid/alcohol mix, but this is flammable and can be quite hazardous if spilled and ignited. A bit more expensive, but better solution is Stop-Ox or similar product
If using the small crock pot, don't forget to unplug it when you are away from the bench overnight. The water for the PH down will evaporate pretty quickly even with the lid on and the pot could crack. I refresh mine with distilled water and one batch lasts a long time with me pickling several pieces daily
Zam is my favorite polish for silver and even works wonderfully on Turquoise. This is on a dual spindle buffing machine though and red rouge is hard to beat for hand polishing. Messy, but good
Sterling from Rio seems different from one order to another, so I use Sante Fe Jewelers supply and Indian jewelers supply for just about everything I buy. Super customer service and you are a name and not just an order number
good luck and looking forward to seeing some works in progress
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mrzulu
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Post by mrzulu on May 22, 2015 21:06:35 GMT -5
Uhhh.... lol ok... Thank you
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