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Post by jamesp on Jun 6, 2015 7:26:01 GMT -5
On the side of the highway, the road crew probably cut it down before it died and fell across the road. Need to dig in for fulgurites.
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Post by panamark on Jun 6, 2015 8:39:19 GMT -5
James, does the damage (a priori the chain saw) look bad enough that it would have killed the tree?
Did the workers leave the cup or just added for perspective?
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Post by Fossilman on Jun 6, 2015 8:55:46 GMT -5
WOW! That is some nice looking pine!!!! I bet the wood coming from the heart of that tree will be totally crazy cool...........
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 9:07:53 GMT -5
When I had my glass business in Texas I got a call from a guy that needed some glass replaced in his closed in patio. I was totally blown away when I saw that lightning had struck a tree next to the house and blew bark through 1/4" tempered glass. Almost impossible to do with a large hammer. Jim
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Post by jamesp on Jun 6, 2015 9:56:43 GMT -5
James, does the damage (a priori the chain saw) look bad enough that it would have killed the tree? Did the workers leave the cup or just added for perspective? About 50-50 Mark. Trees seem to die about half the time. The workers may have left the cup, I put it in the photo for ref. That road has trees right up to the edge, and they are about all S. Yellow Pines. Strong when alive.... Most common lumber pine. Best if they cut our pines, they grow so fast. It is a crop around here. They bring the most money too.
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Post by jamesp on Jun 6, 2015 10:03:58 GMT -5
WOW! That is some nice looking pine!!!! I bet the wood coming from the heart of that tree will be totally crazy cool........... You can see how fast it grew in earlier years Michael. They use those 24-28+ inch trees for 2 X 10 and 2 X 12's. That size brings top dollar. 2 X 4,6,8 come out of trees 1/3 to 1/2 that age. S. Georgia/Florida faster. All about timber down there.
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Post by jamesp on Jun 6, 2015 10:15:52 GMT -5
When I had my glass business in Texas I got a call from a guy that needed some glass replaced in his closed in patio. I was totally blown away when I saw that lightning had struck a tree next to the house and blew bark through 1/4" tempered glass. Almost impossible to do with a large hammer. Jim Jim, my cousin's nephew was about 16, sitting on the couch stoned when lightning struck the back yard. It followed a pipe and exploded 50 feet of slab in the house and went up into the refrigerator and blew the door off of it. I think he sobered up real quick. He said the TV was off and came on for about 10 seconds. Which made me fall out laughing. 3 feet wide and 50 feet long right thru the living room and into the kitchen. Wished they videoed the expression on his face. You would have to know that 6' 8" galoot to appreciate his describing it. One split a 3 foot dia oak in the woods behind the house 3 ways and to the ground in 3 directions. I found shrapnel 300 yards away, white oak. Delightfully split like shingles, fire wood for a whole year. Frayed throughout.
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Post by panamark on Jun 6, 2015 11:59:30 GMT -5
Most common lumber pine. Best if they cut our pines, they grow so fast. It is a crop around here. They bring the most money too. It looks about 45 -50 yrs old from a quick count of rings. Wow, that beats our Douglas Fir which is the big money tree in the PNW. The Fir wood is denser but not as clear. Our little place in Panama is built from pressure treated yellow pine shipped in from Alabama/Georgia plantations. Termites are terrible hungry down there, ha, but so far the stuff is great.
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Post by jamesp on Jun 6, 2015 13:43:28 GMT -5
panamark most 2 X 4 and 2 X 6's are fir around SE US. 8,10,12 are yellow pine. Usually longleaf pine is used for stairs, high strength locations. It grows a lot slower. Longleaf for P-51 fuselage and British sail boat masts, speed boats and the like. It is tight grained and 80% as strong as oak but much lighter. Was common tree in when US was settled. I think virgin ones around 230'. I got used up for the most part. They are being reforested. Virgin long leafs
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Post by QuailRiver on Jun 6, 2015 16:30:27 GMT -5
Old virgin growth Southern Yellow Pine heartwood was incredibly dense. Once I was working on a project using SYP heartwood that had been salvaged from an old 19th century mill where it was used for the post and beam structure. I was cutting out a mortise pocket that I had first pre-drilled out and was just going to use my chisels to square up and clean out. It felt like I was trying to cut concrete. Cutting adjacent to the grain pattern (cross-grained), the point of contact where every single red growth ring meet my chisel's edge left chips in the edge of the chisel. It turned my Rc-63 hardness high carbon steel chisel into a serrated edged chisel. I imagine part of this was due to the pine resin in the wood having hardened in a dry environment for 125 tears but in twenty four years of doing furniture repair and antique restoration this was the only wood that ever damaged my chisels. Larry C.
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Post by jamesp on Jun 6, 2015 18:17:50 GMT -5
Old virgin growth Southern Yellow Pine heartwood was incredibly dense. Once I was working on a project using SYP heartwood that had been salvaged from an old 19th century mill where it was used for the post and beam structure. I was cutting out a mortise pocket that I had first pre-drilled out and was just going to use my chisels to square up and clean out. It felt like I was trying to cut concrete. Cutting adjacent to the grain pattern (cross-grained), the point of contact where every single red growth ring meet my chisel's edge left chips in the edge of the chisel. It turned my Rc-63 hardness high carbon steel chisel into a serrated edged chisel. I imagine part of this was due to the pine resin in the wood having hardened in a dry environment for 125 tears but in twenty four years of doing furniture repair and antique restoration this was the only wood that ever damaged my chisels. Larry C. It seems to turn into epoxy. One inch boards that pass light due to the resin content is not uncommon. I think the timber framers always chiseled it while green before it metamorphosed into epoxy board. The old long leaf pines are notorious for having 20-25 growth rings per inch, very slow growers. Tungsten carbide ??
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Post by jamesp on Jun 7, 2015 7:48:01 GMT -5
They cut Live Oak off the coast of Georgia to make the 21 inch thick gunnels for the 174 foot long(at water line) USS Constitution.(cannon ball resistant ?) The masts are 172, 190 and 220 footers. Probably from long leaf pine, and could be laminated, not sure. The British did harvest long leaf pines for their masts. 100 and 120 footers, single pole masts not laminated. Specific base and tip diameters pursued, I think 1-2 feet in diameter at tip. Lore has it that long leafs cut around the shores of L. George Fl in 1943 for P-51 fuselages. A good many still tower around the lake. Lightning #1 killer. Had two on my camp at L. George, both killed by lightning. Both over 170 feet tall, over 3 feet through at base. To saw them up an old timer told me to dip my chain saw in a bucket of motor oil to keep the sap from freezing up the chain. Thank you. Had the cut up trees pushed up in a pile with a loader and set it on fire. The flames from the sap laden wood made quite the fire. Had to buy a very powerful chain saw just for those two trees. Live oak in the area about as hard to saw. Uss Constitution
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Post by Fossilman on Jun 7, 2015 10:24:00 GMT -5
Anything "Oak" is hard on most blades....Thumbs up Never liked cutting it,has a foul odor while cutting that wood on table saws and etc... Beautiful wood when finished though,but also quit expensive....
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Post by panamark on Jun 7, 2015 10:57:30 GMT -5
I think the original masts on the Constitution were laminates made from live oak (cut on St. Simon's Island, GA) and white pine cut in Maine. The same live oak also used for ribs and skeleton strength. The 21" hull was a sandwich of live oak and white oak. TOUGH!! A lot of white oak was used on the the planking. I think I remember that they had to cut about 60 acres of oak forest to build this one boat! I see that in restoration of the ship, they now use Doug Fir because nice white pine is not available. Some interesting reading of the original materials at www.ussconstitutionmuseum.org/constitution-resources/the-captain-speaks/building-constitution/
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Post by QuailRiver on Jun 7, 2015 11:54:48 GMT -5
Anything "Oak" is hard on most blades....Thumbs up Never liked cutting it,has a foul odor while cutting that wood on table saws and etc... Beautiful wood when finished though,but also quit expensive.... Yes I know what you mean about oak having a foul odor when being milled. I guy I used to work with in an antique restoration shop back in the 1980s used to always remark "It smells like it came from a slab of wood off the outhouse door". Larry C.
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Post by jamesp on Jun 7, 2015 12:07:50 GMT -5
Anything "Oak" is hard on most blades....Thumbs up Never liked cutting it,has a foul odor while cutting that wood on table saws and etc... Beautiful wood when finished though,but also quit expensive.... Fine oaks in the Appalachian mountains. Steep slopes hold a lot of trees because of increased mast exposure than those on flat ground. Reaching high for sunlight in the valleys and gorges, free of limbs till way up the trunks. No knot wood. Always been oak furniture making territory. Even the creek behind the house has whopper white oaks, no limbs 50-70 feet up the trunk. Oaks low close to the creek best. Go 50 feet up the hill and the limbs are much lower, making knots and difficult to split. Red oaks too, but they are harder to split and do not burn as hot. And puts splinters in your fingers. Many varieties of red oaks. Only one white oak that I know of here. It does smell offensive, especially if it has been laying for a year or two. Our Red Cedar must have sand in it. Makes your chain saw throw sparks, dulls blade fast.
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Post by Fossilman on Jun 8, 2015 10:15:30 GMT -5
Talk about lightening strikes!!! I worked with a construction company in North Dakota,that worked on church steeples and old barns...One steeple was hit by lightening and we took the job on! It was a 21:12 pitch (25 foot peak) and 65 feet in the air! Whole one side of the five square flat area was blown out! Spent a whole week on that steeple,replaced the inner wood structure and shingled it with asphalt shingles.... I have photos here somewhere of the job... We had a five man crew and only two men worked the top-My boss and I....Always received extra pay for doing that-I was a crazy young buck than...LOL Wouldn't do it for a million bucks anymore!!!!
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Post by jamesp on Jun 8, 2015 11:46:05 GMT -5
Talk about lightening strikes!!! I worked with a construction company in North Dakota,that worked on church steeples and old barns...One steeple was hit by lightening and we took the job on! It was a 21:12 pitch (25 foot peak) and 65 feet in the air! Whole one side of the five square flat area was blown out! Spent a whole week on that steeple,replaced the inner wood structure and shingled it with asphalt shingles.... I have photos here somewhere of the job... We had a five man crew and only two men worked the top-My boss and I....Always received extra pay for doing that-I was a crazy young buck than...LOL Wouldn't do it for a million bucks anymore!!!! Funny how attitude changed about heights. Feel more like a brick these days, a fragile one. Remember jumping off roof tops ?? Steep steeple
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