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Post by broseph82 on Jun 9, 2015 12:07:28 GMT -5
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Post by orrum on Jun 9, 2015 13:26:38 GMT -5
So what's the difference in a wooly mammoth and a mastadon?
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Post by Jugglerguy on Jun 9, 2015 13:46:33 GMT -5
I think we're too far north for mastodons. As far as I know, they've all been found in southern Michigan,
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Post by Fossilman on Jun 9, 2015 15:22:02 GMT -5
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Post by broseph82 on Jun 9, 2015 15:23:03 GMT -5
orrum"Mammoths and mastodons may have once roamed the Earth together, but they represent two distinct species of the Proboscidean family. And while these extinct giants have a lot in common, they also exhibit some interesting differences. Mammoths, belonging to the genus Mammuthus, arose about 5.1 million years ago in Africa, according to Ross MacPhee, Ph.D., curator at the American Museum of Natural History in New York. From Africa, the mammoths migrated throughout Eurasia and North America. Their evolution continued over millions of years, eventually producing the woolly mammoth, M. primigenius, beginning roughly 250,000 years ago. Mammoths went extinct about 10,000 years ago, though scientists believe an isolated population of dwarf mammoths persisted on Wrangel Island off the northeastern coast of Siberia until about 3,700 years ago. Mammoths and modern elephants are closely related members of the same family (Elephantidae). And though they might resemble their distant, mammoth cousins, mastodons came into existence even earlier, about 27 million to 30 million years ago. They lived primarily in North and Central America and, like mammoths, began to disappear between 12,000 and 10,000 years ago. Some scientists believe early humans may have hunted both species to extinction, though there is considerable evidence that several factors, including climate change and variations in habitat, contributed to the disappearance of mammoths and mastodons. While similar in size and stature, fossil evidence shows that mastodons were slightly smaller than mammoths, with shorter legs and lower, flatter heads. Both species stood between 7 and 14 feet (2 meters to 4 meters) tall, and were covered in long, shaggy hair that protected them from the harsh conditions of their respective environments. But mammoths also possessed fatty humps on their backs that provided them with the additional nutrientsnecessary in their more northerly, ice-covered habitats. The most important difference between these two species, according to Smithsonian.com, lies in how they ate their food. Both animals were herbivores, but mastodons had cone-shaped cusps on their molars designed to crush leaves, twigs and branches. Mammoths, however, had ridged molars that allowed them to cut through vegetation and graze like modern-day elephants. Both species had long, curved trunks that the animals may have used to scrape snow and ice off vegetation."
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Post by orrum on Jun 9, 2015 15:41:45 GMT -5
Interesting I grew up in Saltville Va. Home of the Confederate salt works due to the natural salt ponds and veins. Also home to many wooly mammoth remains. They are found all thru the area. We actually have Little Wooly as the town mascot in parades etc. He is supposed to tell the weather, how as a inanimate stuffEd critter I have no clue. We also have our version of bigfoot which we call the wooly bugger. Many archeological digs there by various universities. Va Tech maintains a summer dig there every year.
Thanks I always wondered when they dug up a tusk in someone's basement foundation etc how they could tell mastadon from wooly mammoth!
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Post by snowmom on Jun 10, 2015 4:58:00 GMT -5
lots of awesome info here in this thread. So cool to think North America had ELEPHANTS! I think trilobites and snails are about the biggest fossils found near Alpena usually, unless you count thrombolites and stromatolite formations which can be huge. Devonian era was a little before Mastodon and Mammoth's time.
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Post by jamesp on Jun 10, 2015 7:49:41 GMT -5
Mammal bones need specific conditions to be preserved. Like potash mines have mammal bones, move a few miles from the potash and the bones disappear. Interesting about the salt orrum. Mammoth and mastodons in Florida : ""MAMMOTH The latest research indicates that the only two species of mammoth in Florida were the Mammuthus haroldcooki or early mammoth (also called Imperial Mammoth) and the later columbi (Columbian Mammoth). The widely known Woolly Mammoth (Mammuthus primigenius) is now thought to have ventured no farther south than present-day North Carolina. Also, some leading scientists now believe that some mammoths may have survived much later than previously thought, perhaps as recent as 4000 years ago. MASTODON Mastodons were in Florida almost twice as long as mammoths and so they are more commonly found as fossils. They were generally shorter, thicker and more heavily built than the mammoths, and the males sometimes had two small lower tusks in addition to the large upper tusks. Both mastodons and mammoths were killed and eaten by early humans and today, more and more paleontologists and archaeologists believe hunting them may have caused their extinction in America. Complete mastodon teeth are very hard to find today in Florida, but bits of the enamel are often found in rivers and springs. These pieces may sometimes show beautiful colors and for this reason they are sometimes polished and made into jewelry."" One of many bone collectors in Florida selling his finds, a wide variety of bizarre mammals. Looks like he operates in the center of coral territory. Proboscideans = mammoths/mastodons paleoenterprises.com/Fossils.htm
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Post by jamesp on Jun 10, 2015 8:17:37 GMT -5
Map shows where conditions were favorable for preservation. A mammoth/mastodon probably walked across every forum members front yard. I have a pet mammoth, don't tell.
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Post by spiritstone on Jun 10, 2015 10:36:44 GMT -5
Bad enough I have to pick up after what others let there animals leave behind in my yard, but a Mammoth? I dont know about that. LOL
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Post by jamesp on Jun 10, 2015 19:13:43 GMT -5
Bad enough I have to pick up after what others let there animals leave behind in my yard, but a Mammoth? I dont know about that. LOL
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Post by orrum on Jun 10, 2015 20:45:55 GMT -5
Hey there is a blue dot about where Saltville would be. COLOMBIAN MAMMOTH!
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Post by jamesp on Jun 10, 2015 23:09:09 GMT -5
Hey there is a blue dot about where Saltville would be. COLOMBIAN MAMMOTH! mammoth spotted by satellite, made a mistake and spotted bigfoot
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