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Post by lonetreestudios on Jul 11, 2015 23:52:26 GMT -5
So they have been out for a couple years now.... I did a search and found the half-a-dozen or so threads on here.... Has anybody bit the bullet and bought one and can tell us how they like/dislike it?
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Post by Rockoonz on Jul 12, 2015 1:31:03 GMT -5
I would get the US made one from the original person who thought to use it for rock saws, the easy clean system. I understand it works better and also uses the easily available 1 gallon paint cans instead of the 1/2 gallon cans you can pretty much only get from HP. Plus the proceeds put food on American tables. www.easycleanllc.com/ |
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Post by lonetreestudios on Jul 13, 2015 11:24:09 GMT -5
Hmm, 57 views and only 1 reply? systems must not be that popular I guess.... easyclean looks like a nice set-up, and all for putting money into American made, but at 1/3 more cost, smaller pump, and PVC filter housing, I would want to talk to someone that has it and has some hours on it before dropping that kind of money.
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Post by orrum on Jul 13, 2015 13:47:12 GMT -5
Hey John with jsgems sells a saw thing that removes and cleans the oil!
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Post by captbob on Jul 13, 2015 14:41:15 GMT -5
I bought a 55 gallon barrel of food grade mineral oil (including shipping) for less than either of those systems.
Kinda figure that someone is going to have to deal with what I still have left when I die.
How much oil do you go through to warrant such a purchase?
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barclay
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Post by barclay on Jul 13, 2015 20:21:56 GMT -5
$1,000 - $1,250 seems like a lot of money to spend on such a system. A 5-gallon pail with aquarium filter material and newspaper for final clean may not be sexy, but it will do the job. It may take a while, but for $1,000 you can buy a lot of gear.
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Post by Rockoonz on Jul 13, 2015 20:49:50 GMT -5
Centrifugal separators have been used to clean oil for decades. orrum John does sell the easy clean, that's how I found out about it. lonetreestudios if you aren't slabbing in a production shop with lots of saws it's not cost effective,but FYI I have spoken with Casey at Richardsons Ranch and they bought the larger stand alone version from HP, replaced the crappy Chinese "larger" pump multiple times, and finally switched to the same pump Easy Clean uses, and it hasn't failed since. After many customer complaints HP still uses the same pump, just the kind of customer service and quality their customers have come to expect in all their products. |
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Post by johnjsgems on Jul 16, 2015 18:00:09 GMT -5
I've demo'ed the Easy Clean at shows but never used one. The guy from Barranca has one and uses it on two of his saws (30" and 24"). He runs it while cutting and for a few hours after to completely clean the oil. He moves it from saw to saw. He bought one of the first units from HP and didn't have much good to say about it. I think Phil came out with his improved system after HP. Biggest complaints I hear on the HP units are the small cans filling too fast and general poor quality (falling apart kind of thing). In my opinion, the average hobbyist would not need one. Routine maintenance and filtering would suffice. On the other hand, depending on economic situation, some people may see the advantage of running a system every time they cut to keep oil clean and working well. Clean oil cools better. And cleaning sludged up saws is not much fun.
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Post by TheRock on Jul 20, 2019 21:04:45 GMT -5
In my Travels over the years I have learned there are 3 Types of People in the world. 1. THE ONES THAT MAKE IT HAPPEN! 2. THE ONES THAT WATCH IT HAPPEN! 3. AND THE ONES THAT AFTER IT IS ALL OVER THAT SAY, WTF HAPPENED?  ? Yes The Highland Park Everclean Works, BD Saws Suck. Rubber Drain Plugs!!!! Yeah Give me a break!!! Ya cant even Drain the Saw Properly to drain and clean the Oil. BD Needs to fix this Design With a Threaded 1" Bottom outlet so a guy can Put in a nipple and a Shutoff Valve. It's a shame when a consumer can produce a better product than a company can. It's not just the cost of the Oil, My time is worth something too! I don't nearly have much of it left than I used to and spending it Changing Bearings, Cleaning the Saw. Draining Cleaning the Oil I don't have to fuss with any of that and it never cost me a dime cause I used my kids INHERITANCE!  |
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Post by TheRock on Jul 21, 2019 11:00:59 GMT -5
I would get the US made one from the original person who thought to use it for rock saws, the easy clean system. I understand it works better and also uses the easily available 1 gallon paint cans instead of the 1/2 gallon cans you can pretty much only get from HP. Plus the proceeds put food on American tables. www.easycleanllc.com/Looks like the easycleanllc.com outfit is dead in the water so much for putting biscuits out for the "Lords Supper" looks like everyone done hogged then down. Reminds me of this ole classic song.  Everclean Rocks! |
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Post by Rockoonz on Jul 21, 2019 12:47:24 GMT -5
I would get the US made one from the original person who thought to use it for rock saws, the easy clean system. I understand it works better and also uses the easily available 1 gallon paint cans instead of the 1/2 gallon cans you can pretty much only get from HP. Plus the proceeds put food on American tables. www.easycleanllc.com/Looks like the easycleanllc.com outfit is dead in the water so much for putting biscuits out for the "Lords Supper" looks like everyone done hogged then down. Reminds me of this ole classic song. Everclean Rocks!I guess if the idea of a chinese company shutting down a US company with cheap, inferior goods brings you joy, you just go ahead and be you. It's a free country after all. A centrifugal separator isn't exactly anything complex anyway, my real problem is their direct attacks on the saw business for my personal friends at Lortone, now all our friends with Lortone saws won't be able to get parts shat will fit their saws unless they have the mechanical ability to adapt HP parts to their saws. Way too many short sighted, self serving people just don't see the long term implications of supporting the Rowland bros in their attacks on the US lapidary supply industry. |
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Post by TheRock on Jul 21, 2019 16:13:05 GMT -5
Actually It doesn't bring me Joy at all not all! But some of the U.S. Lapidary companies need to improve ie: Barranca Diamond Their Engineer needs to go see the WiAaRd of Oz and get a Brain their engineering SUCKS!! Lemme see.......sell a $1700.00 Saw with a $.15 fifteen cent Rubber Plug in the bottom where you drain and clean the saw out boy that takes Brains! No way to drain the oil out when its mounted to a cart. Oil would get all over the place. I would say improve or leave the hobby! Don't sell the AMERICAN People JUNK!  Thanks For The Idea! I will write BD and ask them how much rebate I get on the failed bearings! The Saw when bearings went out had far less than 100 hrs on it. All cause be a Junk Rubber Plug and no good way to drain and maintain the saw.  I am sure their response will be less favorable than desling with John & Sherman Roland! As far as the Can Size goes. Any Genus even my Grand Daughter will tell you that a Smaller Can will spin more revolutions than a Larger Dia. Can, Maybe the engineering needed a smaller can All I can say the sediment is packed correct in my Cans and out of the same Tin Can I can pour crystal clear Oil out of it while the crud is left on the sidewalls! The proofs in the Pudding. a Half Gallon Can Is Easier to handle than a 1 Gal Can. Personally I don't think the Can is a Half Gal Id say its between a 1/4 and 1/2 gal. Ill measure it next time I get nearby. ** UPDATE ** It is a 1/2 Gal Can. |
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Post by bobby1 on Jul 23, 2019 2:24:02 GMT -5
Our club supports the local Junior College lapidary and jewelry classes by supplying saws and maintenance. We recently bought a 24" HP saw and an 18" Hp saw. We bought them both with the everclean system. We struggled to get them to work but when we found out that we needed to run the saws with a very low viscosity oil then they worked great! We use a plastic bag instead of the paint can. Just make sure to fill the bag with oil before starting the unit. We also bought them have a 12" and 14" HP saws. We scoop the oil out of them and put it into the big saws so they will clean the oil. We have the class instructor to turn the cleaners on just as soon as she comes into the class. She lets them run until the end of the day.
Bob
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Post by oregon on Jul 24, 2019 11:03:52 GMT -5
As far as the Can Size goes. Any Genus even my Grand Daughter will tell you that a Smaller Can will spin more revolutions than a Larger Dia. Can, Maybe the engineering needed a smaller can .number of revolutions isn't useful measure. Centripetal force is mv^2/r or mrω^2. for the same rpms, the separating force goes up with the square of the radius. I'd wager that they had a hard time building a larger version that wouldn't fail and thus reduced the can size. It's hard to build a large centrifuge, google centrifuge accidents.
Everyone should be made aware of the "new" HP story; buy their products if you feel like supporting them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 17:26:29 GMT -5
I bought a 55 gallon barrel of food grade mineral oil (including shipping) for less than either of those systems. Kinda figure that someone is going to have to deal with what I still have left when I die. How much oil do you go through to warrant such a purchase? 55 gallons Would last 2 years for me. Thats if i chucked the sludge and didnt filter it. Filtering in a couple paper bags i lose 1/3 Of the oil. So? If Jack had 7 apples and gave Jane 1/3 Every 3 months how many..... oh heck Thats way too much math. Lets Just fry some chicken with it! |
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Post by TheRock on Jul 24, 2019 21:23:59 GMT -5
Make No Mistake your always going to loose some oil. Every rock that comes out of the saw hits the bucket of floor dry ti soak up the oil residue. before opening the top of the saw i wipe the top down really good. Just the past couple days the oil was spraying in the saw like crazy too much oil I could not regulate the correct oil needed. My suspicion was correct a slice of rock went down in the saw sump and blocked the drain and the blade was throwing the oil topside WAY TOO MUCH. That extra oil really cleaned the top good after draining it for awhile I opened it up and removed to the blackage two pieces. I then fabricated a cage made of 1/8" Stainless Steel Tig Rod and pushed it down in the drain to block and slices of rock from blocking the drain again. I also cut a piece of plastic to go next to the blade and under the rock to prevent it going down the drain to begin with. bobby1 glad your club is enjoying the saws and everclean system. Everything has a learning curv but the principal is sound on the everclean unit.   |
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Post by mikeinsjc on Aug 10, 2019 15:36:31 GMT -5
The litany of complaints against HP Lapidary continues. A friend of mine purchased a new 36" saw with their cleaning system included. I haven't seen this complaint mentioned, but my friend says the system is so noisy you can hardly be in the shop with it on. Won't even go into the problems he had with the saw itself.
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Post by bobby1 on Aug 12, 2019 12:57:25 GMT -5
Our units run very quietly. I'm not sure what would make them noisy.
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Post by agatemaggot on Aug 12, 2019 13:47:56 GMT -5
There is a video on here showing how to make a saw clean up unit using a 5 gal pail and vac. Cost of materials ? less than $10.00 or about that neighborhood !
You put it together yourself and tell everyone it's made in America ! Catmanndewe put up the video a couple years back.
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Everclean Rocks!
Thanks For The Idea! I will write BD and ask them how much rebate I get on the failed bearings! The Saw when bearings went out had far less than 100 hrs on it. All cause be a Junk Rubber Plug and no good way to drain and maintain the saw. 
I am sure their response will be less favorable than desling with John & Sherman Roland! 
