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Post by rockjunquie on Jul 17, 2015 14:58:41 GMT -5
I wasn't sure where to put this query. I just love the cheery, old timey orange/yellow carnelian; not so much the darker, brown orange/red stuff. It seems to be really hard to find. Is that because the more colorful stuff is mined out or comes from smaller locations? Where does the lighter colored stuff come from? Where can one buy it? I don't live out West, so I can't hound it. I have a cab, which I bought cabbed and then recabbed it. I really love it. Here it is for reference: This one has some crackle in it. It doesn't affect the stone and I actually like the look. Is it common with carnelian? Thanks for any and all discussion of carnelian.
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Post by adam on Jul 17, 2015 15:39:14 GMT -5
I suppose it would be natural. Very beautiful cab you have. Check my profile pic, I dug that carnelian and tumbled it through aluminum polish. Dark red skin and inner orange bands at the bottom and lighter orange at the top. I got to say my piece is the only one I have. Location is southern Kentucky.
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Post by Fossilman on Jul 17, 2015 16:08:11 GMT -5
Carnelian is all over Oregon...........Comes in many shades of oranges,browns,reds and white pale.............
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Post by cobbledstones on Jul 17, 2015 18:37:42 GMT -5
I am partial the the pale white carnelian myself. Most of what I find is on the orange side of the spectrum, closer to the color you have there. The bright blood red is more rare. Most everything has the brightest color on the rind, tending lighter toward the middle. I have about 70lbs of it waiting to be cut right now, will grab a few pics when I get home.
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Post by cobbledstones on Jul 17, 2015 20:53:18 GMT -5
here is some rough. northwestern Oregon old stock from Holly Oregon my best day hounding the river this year
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Post by Sabre52 on Jul 17, 2015 20:58:42 GMT -5
I'm a big fan too. Love the natural red from the Pacific NW. Recently bought some Chinese Imperial Carnelian at a show but I think due to it's tendency to fracture badly, that it's been heat treated. Some is quite intense red though. I personally think some of the best is heat treated Brazilian. Great color saturation and often very unfractured in large pieces. The natural Brazilian untreated stuff rocks too, plus it has awesome banding. Two more of my favorite US locations are Virgin Vally, Nevada and Cooks peak NM. Small stuff but really pretty color. This is the Chinese stuff: Treated Brazilian: Natural Brazlian:
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Post by rockjunquie on Jul 17, 2015 21:30:19 GMT -5
Awesome! Thanks for the info and pictures guys. I didn't even know there was a pale white carnelian! adam I didn't know there was any carnelian out this way (I'm in VA). Very nicely saturated color! cobbledstones What a great group! Lots of color. I'm liking the lighter colors. Sabre52, Mel, that Chinese is something else! Is that what they were calling "fire agate" a few years back? Kinda looks like it. I have seen more treated Brazilian than not. I much prefer the natural to the day glo colors one sees.
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Post by cobbledstones on Jul 17, 2015 22:14:53 GMT -5
some pieces bead from a crazed white carnelian after zeolite small but cool rough artifact, bird point sample of the white lots of white
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Post by unclesoska on Jul 17, 2015 23:04:11 GMT -5
As far fetched as it sounds, is it possible some of us are confusing Carnelian and Chalcedony? Carnelian, by definition is a reddish brown form of Chalcedony. Chalcedony is a micro-crystalline form of quartz, which comes in a almost infinite variety of colors. I may be in for a schoolin' here, but I'm only standing up for a rock worthy of certain distinction.
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Post by cobbledstones on Jul 17, 2015 23:12:54 GMT -5
if it is the right color on the outside I usually consider it carnaelian. The white stuff is in the center of nodules and will turn redish orange if exposed to heat or prolonged intense sun. here is one with just a redish sunburn
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Post by spiritstone on Jul 17, 2015 23:21:43 GMT -5
Remind you of something? love the stones color bands and mixing.
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Post by Rockoonz on Jul 17, 2015 23:44:31 GMT -5
Here in SW WA we get a lot of the carnelian, way too much of it is the red skinned variety with milky center. spiritstone that looks like a to-kill-ya sunrise, a favorite in my drinking days.
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Post by Rockoonz on Jul 17, 2015 23:52:08 GMT -5
One Elizabeth made years ago. Still a favorite. Thought to be Chandler Mt carnelian from Oregon.
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Post by adam on Jul 18, 2015 7:33:46 GMT -5
As far fetched as it sounds, is it possible some of us are confusing Carnelian and Chalcedony? Carnelian, by definition is a reddish brown form of Chalcedony. Chalcedony is a micro-crystalline form of quartz, which comes in a almost infinite variety of colors. I may be in for a schoolin' here, but I'm only standing up for a rock worthy of certain distinction.
I believe the color shades are varied from reddish brown to blood red to red orange to orange and also into white, as cobbledstones have posted.
Hey, rockjunquie, I was surprised myself when I found that piece(it's looks real, right?), most of what I find is banded jasper/agate and pet wood. I suppose carnelian can be found wherever, but the conditions must be favorable?
All ya'll got really pretty pieces.
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Post by Fossilman on Jul 18, 2015 12:14:05 GMT -5
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Post by Sabre52 on Jul 18, 2015 12:24:31 GMT -5
Fraid I agree with unclesoska. Carnelian is a color of chalcedony ( light orange to red saturation) If it's white/clear its just chalcedony. Quick does identify white carnelian as chalcedony with a faint tint of red. Sard is translucent yellow brown to brown to red brown chalcedony. Prase is light to grayish yellow green chalcedony. Cer is chrome yellow chalcedony....Mel
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Post by rockjunquie on Jul 18, 2015 14:12:15 GMT -5
Thanks for more pictures. I'm getting the idea now. Also, Thank you, Mel and Uncle. Always good to know the facts behind the legends- so to speak. If anyone is interested... I made a 2 stone pendant with my carnelian. I posted it here. I went back and looked at my papers, too. That carnelian is from Oregon.
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