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Post by heapsy on Aug 17, 2015 5:43:29 GMT -5
Hi, I want to build my own cabbing machine, Im thinking to use (galaxy and nova) 4 wheels of 4" but im not sure if I want 4" or 6" so I want to buy a long enough shaft.
Will you please help me along the way to find what I need to buy so I can build it? And all along the process please :-) ? I was looking and searching for long time and im pretty confused, links would be appreciated :-)
The wheels I want to buy they are for 1" shaft.
*Where do I get the shaft? And how long?
*Where do I buy the pulley?What size do I need the pulley to be? Do I need 2? One for the motor? And how to attach it to the shaft? (My husband can do that but how?)
*Bearings, What size and v- belt for the pulley? What size? Which kind?
*I want to attach to one side a polish wheel, what do I need for that?
* Motor I have W200 rpm 2800 that is not good right?
*Anything else?
* Also I would like to buy a trim saw that I can attach to the cabbing machine, like the trim saw for the genie cabbing machine, or that would be too complicated?
Thanks so much for the help Hila
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Post by rockpowell on Aug 17, 2015 8:11:14 GMT -5
Hi, I want to build my own cabbing machine, Im thinking to use (galaxy and nova) 4 wheels of 4" but im not sure if I want 4" or 6" so I want to buy a long enough shaft. Will you please help me along the way to find what I need to buy so I can build it? And all along the process please :-) ? I was looking and searching for long time and im pretty confused, links would be appreciated :-) The wheels I want to buy they are for 1" shaft. *Where do I get the shaft? And how long? *Where do I buy the pulley?What size do I need the pulley to be? Do I need 2? One for the motor? And how to attach it to the shaft? (My husband can do that but how?) *Bearings, What size and v- belt for the pulley? What size? Which kind? *I want to attach to one side a polish wheel, what do I need for that? * Motor I have W200 rpm 2800 that is not good right? *Anything else? * Also I would like to buy a trim saw that I can attach to the cabbing machine, like the trim saw for the genie cabbing machine, or that would be too complicated? Thanks so much for the help Hila Woman to Woman here. You would be better off getting a older machine and study it -- modify it if you need to ,But first under stand how it works, or find a rock club and join talk to members. They will be of more help, we can tell you But if you don't under stand what we are saying, It could end up costing you more in the long run. I don't recommend a trim saw attached This could cause vibration I would have a trim saw separate. and a motor 1/3 hp an 1725 to start with. My 2 cents worth Good Luck..!!!! Most parts you need can be purchase at mose hardware store To get the shaft right You will need to know a good machinest.
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heapsy
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Post by heapsy on Aug 17, 2015 8:35:05 GMT -5
Thanks rockpowell, but im not from the USA so that will be a problem for me, I did look on older machine but its more complicated and shipping is expansive, some don't ship even in the USA, Its pretty simple, im quite handy so I know ill manged if I find the parts
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Post by jakesrocks on Aug 17, 2015 10:51:37 GMT -5
Heapsy, first, welcome aboard. You'll find lots of helpful people & information here. Ask all of the questions that you want. Someone will be able to help.
Before starting to build a machine, first ask yourself how much room do you have for a machine. Once you've answered that, there are a few things you should know.
#1 -- The shaft should be either stainless steel, or cold rolled steel. It should be long enough to allow at least 1-1/2" between wheels. The wheels on most commercial built machines are too close together.
#2 -- The left end of the shaft should be threaded with a left hand thread and have a left hand nut. The right end should be threaded with right hand threads, and have a right hand nut. You'll only need about an inch of threads on each end.
#3 -- If you want to use an end plate for buffing, most end plates come with a 1/4" 20 thread screw attached to them. You'll need to have the right end of the shaft bored & threaded 1/4" 20 thread. This is best done by a machinist in a metal lathe.
#4 -- For bearings, you'll want sealed pillow bearings of the proper size to fit your shaft.
#5 -- You'll want a motor of at least 1/3 HP, which should turn 1725 RPM's, or as near to that as you can find in your country.
#6 -- Pulleys should be the same size for both the shaft & motor. I'd go with 2-1//2" pulleys. The center hole in one pulley will have to be the same size as your shaft. The other should fit the motor shaft. Both pulleys should have at least one set screw to lock them in place on their shafts. Take one of the pulleys to an auto parts store. They can fit the proper size belt to it. You'll have to decide on how far behind your machine you want to mount your motor, and get a belt of the right length.
#7 -- You'll have to build a water tight base pan for your machine with at least a 1" lip all around it, and a drain fitted to allow water to run from the pan into a catch bucket. And you'll have to build spray hoods to fit over the wheels.
#8 -- You'll have to devise some sort of water supply to each wheel. I'd use separate valves for each wheel.
There are many other things to consider, but these should at least let you start designing your machine. As you start your build, take lots of pictures and post them here. We'll be able to make suggestions and help you.
And again, ask lots of questions.
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Post by jakesrocks on Aug 17, 2015 11:14:45 GMT -5
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heapsy
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Post by heapsy on Aug 17, 2015 12:53:59 GMT -5
Heapsy, first, welcome aboard. You'll find lots of helpful people & information here. Ask all of the questions that you want. Someone will be able to help. Before starting to build a machine, first ask yourself how much room do you have for a machine. Once you've answered that, there are a few things you should know. #1 -- The shaft should be either stainless steel, or cold rolled steel. It should be long enough to allow at least 1-1/2" between wheels. The wheels on most commercial built machines are too close together. #2 -- The left end of the shaft should be threaded with a left hand thread and have a left hand nut. The right end should be threaded with right hand threads, and have a right hand nut. You'll only need about an inch of threads on each end. #3 -- If you want to use an end plate for buffing, most end plates come with a 1/4" 20 thread screw attached to them. You'll need to have the right end of the shaft bored & threaded 1/4" 20 thread. This is best done by a machinist in a metal lathe. #4 -- For bearings, you'll want sealed pillow bearings of the proper size to fit your shaft. #5 -- You'll want a motor of at least 1/3 HP, which should turn 1725 RPM's, or as near to that as you can find in your country. #6 -- Pulleys should be the same size for both the shaft & motor. I'd go with 2-1//2" pulleys. The center hole in one pulley will have to be the same size as your shaft. The other should fit the motor shaft. Both pulleys should have at least one set screw to lock them in place on their shafts. Take one of the pulleys to an auto parts store. They can fit the proper size belt to it. You'll have to decide on how far behind your machine you want to mount your motor, and get a belt of the right length. #7 -- You'll have to build a water tight base pan for your machine with at least a 1" lip all around it, and a drain fitted to allow water to run from the pan into a catch bucket. And you'll have to build spray hoods to fit over the wheels. #8 -- You'll have to devise some sort of water supply to each wheel. I'd use separate valves for each wheel. There are many other things to consider, but these should at least let you start designing your machine. As you start your build, take lots of pictures and post them here. We'll be able to make suggestions and help you. And again, ask lots of questions. Thank you so much jakesrocks, you helped me a lot. *Do you have links to where can I buy the shaft and pulley and the rest of the things? or some? That will help me to find what I need. *How wide are the Galaxy and nova wheels? * Threads, how can I do that? is that also in machinist in a metal lathe? * In one of your link you gave me cccbock said that he got ready made shaft from Lortone. Maybe it will be better for me? I don't know if the shaft is 1" Also I was reading that spicer used to make that shaft with the pulley , so I sent him a message asking about it but I think he is not here in the forum for a while Thanks again :-)
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Post by jakesrocks on Aug 17, 2015 13:49:55 GMT -5
Heapsy, the only links I could give you for shaft material are U.S. links. You'd have to pay shipping and import taxes on everything. It would probably be much less expensive to find a machinist in your own country to make the shaft for you.
Yes, a machinist would have to do the threading for you. You're probably on the metric system, so as long as the shaft is 1 inch to fit the wheels, it wouldn't hurt anything if the threads & nuts were a metric size as near to 1 inch as possible. If you drill & tap the shaft for a spin on disc, that will have to be 1/4 - 20 thread.
The 6 inch Galaxy & Nova wheels are 1-1/2 inches wide.
Lortone's shafts are 3/4 inch, so you'd have to buy adapters for all of your wheels.
If you don't mind me asking, which country are you from ? We may have a member living near you who can help.
Don
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Post by minerken on Aug 17, 2015 13:50:24 GMT -5
Here's a link to Kingsly North a good reliable dealer www.kingsleynorth.com/skshop/category.php?catID=88Jakes rocks covered the subject to the T the only thing that is a pain to resolve is how to make the cowling (covers, drain pans, and water system). If your thinking is that you will save money doing this and that you are going to source all the parts and then put it together you may find it to not be cost effect over buying a pre-made unit. When you say a cabbing unit I think of a saw as being part of the system do you have one if not you'll need that too.
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Post by heapsy on Aug 17, 2015 14:02:32 GMT -5
Heapsy, the only links I could give you for shaft material are U.S. links. You'd have to pay shipping and import taxes on everything. It would probably be much less expensive to find a machinist in your own country to make the shaft for you. Yes, a machinist would have to do the threading for you. You're probably on the metric system, so as long as the shaft is 1 inch to fit the wheels, it wouldn't hurt anything if the threads & nuts were a metric size as near to 1 inch as possible. If you drill & tap the shaft for a spin on disc, that will have to be 1/4 - 20 thread. The 6 inch Galaxy & Nova wheels are 1-1/2 inches wide. Lortone's shafts are 3/4 inch, so you'd have to buy adapters for all of your wheels. If you don't mind me asking, which country are you from ? We may have a member living near you who can help. Don Thanks Don, I am from Israel, and from what I understood, we don't have these machines here, only lap ones. I wanted links because it will help me to understand what I need to look for here, because of launguage difference it makes it harder for me to know, so I thought if ill see exactly it will help me. Minerken, Thanks, Shipping its too expensive to buy machine
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Post by jakesrocks on Aug 17, 2015 14:15:55 GMT -5
There should be many good machinists in Israel. Some should be familiar with the American inch measurements as your Israeli military has some American made weapons systems.
If you could become friends with someone in the American Navy, Our ships visit Israel quite often. Perhaps you could get someone to bring you a machine onboard their ship. I don't know if you'd have to pay import taxes, but at least it would save shipping costs.
I think we do have at least one other member from Israel. Perhaps one of our members will remember the name.
Wish I could get back over there. I'd love to score a couple nice pieces of Eilat stone.
Don
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Post by heapsy on Aug 17, 2015 14:30:38 GMT -5
There should be many good machinists in Israel. Some should be familiar with the American inch measurements as your Israeli military has some American made weapons systems. If you could become friends with someone in the American Navy, Our ships visit Israel quite often. Perhaps you could get someone to bring you a machine onboard their ship. I don't know if you'd have to pay import taxes, but at least it would save shipping costs. I think we do have at least one other member from Israel. Perhaps one of our members will remember the name. Wish I could get back over there. I'd love to score a couple nice pieces of Eilat stone. Don Thanks but I was searching a lot before I asked help here, they don't have these cabbing machine. I don't think it would be possible with the ships. Still thinking the best is to try to make one, I wish I could buy one, it would be easier but again shipping is very expensive plus taxes.
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Post by quartz on Aug 18, 2015 0:41:33 GMT -5
Welcome to the forum. About your questions, perhaps if there is a place that works glass in your area, they may be of some help with finding/building equipment to fit your needs.
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Post by NDK on Aug 18, 2015 12:38:52 GMT -5
I'm thinking you need to think outside the box here to get this built. Is there a scrap or recycling yard somewhere close? Maybe you could source a shaft & bearings and maybe even a motor off some type of blower or compressor.
For the hoods on my machine I used square plastic containers my brother had gotten from a cheese factory, then cut them to fit my needs. Even if you had to purchase them new maybe a water or fuel container would work.
You mentioned having a 2800 rpm motor. I think that could work if the pulley on your shaft is twice the diameter of the pulley on the motor. That would bring the shaft down to 1400 rpm.
Keep asking questions, you can get this done!
Good luck!
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Post by heapsy on Aug 18, 2015 14:00:07 GMT -5
I'm thinking you need to think outside the box here to get this built. Is there a scrap or recycling yard somewhere close? Maybe you could source a shaft & bearings and maybe even a motor off some type of blower or compressor. For the hoods on my machine I used square plastic containers my brother had gotten from a cheese factory, then cut them to fit my needs. Even if you had to purchase them new maybe a water or fuel container would work. You mentioned having a 2800 rpm motor. I think that could work if the pulley on your shaft is twice the diameter of the pulley on the motor. That would bring the shaft down to 1400 rpm. Keep asking questions, you can get this done! Good luck! Thanks, its so hard, im looking for days here to find shaft but I don't, maybe ill buy from USA. But again how I would do to the thread, also im afraid I will not find. I tried to ask spicer to make me one maybe, but he is not here on the forum I guess. really lost
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2015 14:08:59 GMT -5
jakesrocks really does have a soft spot in his heart! Don those are some really good answers. Thank you from me too. I am learning! heapsy If you do embark on a build I will encourage you to post your progress here. This could become a stellar stickie! Heapsy, welcome aboard. best wishes. Your green eyes make me wish I lived in Isreal! As for supply of pulleys and such. I am certain there are stores in Isreal that sell them. And also there are also machine shops that will produce the shaft for you in a day or two. If you find a sheet metal shop, they can make the enclosure for you from stainless steel sheet. Maybe someone here will be kind enough to take close up images of all the components of their cab machine and post them in this thread.
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Post by heapsy on Aug 18, 2015 15:23:37 GMT -5
jakesrocks really does have a soft spot in his heart! Don those are some really good answers. Thank you from me too. I am learning! heapsy If you do embark on a build I will encourage you to post your progress here. This could become a stellar stickie! Heapsy, welcome aboard. best wishes. Your green eyes make me wish I lived in Isreal! As for supply of pulleys and such. I am certain there are stores in Isreal that sell them. And also there are also machine shops that will produce the shaft for you in a day or two. If you find a sheet metal shop, they can make the enclosure for you from stainless steel sheet. Maybe someone here will be kind enough to take close up images of all the components of their cab machine and post them in this thread. Thanks, I will post if it here if I will succeed. I found where to buy in USA but not here, maybe there is but I just don't know where. Thanks any way NDK Thank you for this advice "You mentioned having a 2800 rpm motor. I think that could work if the pulley on your shaft is twice the diameter of the pulley on the motor. That would bring the shaft down to 1400 rpm."
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Post by quartz on Aug 18, 2015 23:11:53 GMT -5
Generally, places that deal in hydraulic/pneumatic cylinders and related parts have a machine shop capable of making you a shaft. I would think that likely in Israel, as in U.S. Advantage to a chromed and polished shaft, good metallurgy and no rust. Then the metric/inch difference might come into play. Good luck.
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Post by stardiamond on Aug 20, 2015 12:19:26 GMT -5
It would seem that all you need is an arbor that is used for sharpening etc. and isolate the motor from water. Most of the cost of a cabbing machine is the wheels and the shipping and taxes will still be an issue. Nova wheels are relatively light. Hard wheels are relatively heavy and you need both types to do good work. Laps are much lighter and less expensive.
You will need an enclosure, a removable pan to hold the water. For water, I recommend an aquarium pump and a bubbler. If you search this site or the internet you can find instructions on making a bubbler/sprayer.
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Post by heapsy on Aug 20, 2015 14:27:20 GMT -5
It would seem that all you need is an arbor that is used for sharpening etc. and isolate the motor from water. Most of the cost of a cabbing machine is the wheels and the shipping and taxes will still be an issue. Nova wheels are relatively light. Hard wheels are relatively heavy and you need both types to do good work. Laps are much lighter and less expensive. You will need an enclosure, a removable pan to hold the water. For water, I recommend an aquarium pump and a bubbler. If you search this site or the internet you can find instructions on making a bubbler/sprayer. Thank you and for all the rest that helped me The sharpening tool that I found here the rpm is faster is about 3000. I found someone that maybe he will do the shaft for me, and will get me the pulley and hope also the other things, next week he will let me know how much he wants for that so I hope he will be fair and that it will be good price *****And so if that will work I need to find a trim saw from the USA, I think the best if I can find will be without the motor because of the weight. Which one would you recommend for me to get ? ****
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Post by zarguy on Aug 26, 2015 22:03:33 GMT -5
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