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Post by Rockoonz on Oct 11, 2015 0:59:14 GMT -5
I recently discovered that John Rowlands "new Highland Park" has introduced a new saw to their lineup. It is an EXACT copy of a 12" Lortone, down to the finest detail. It's bad enough selling a Harbor Freight quality copy of a saw that is no longer made, but directly stealing from a USA company that employs Americans and who uses strictly US suppliers when possible? There are no family friendly words I can use to express my opinion of what they're doing.
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unclesoska
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Post by unclesoska on Oct 11, 2015 1:15:17 GMT -5
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Post by broseph82 on Oct 11, 2015 8:40:15 GMT -5
If you follow him on FB he claims theyre coming up with new designs with "new engineering"-dont quote me on this one--memory not too good with exact details that I read- just a generalization.
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Post by roy on Oct 11, 2015 9:18:20 GMT -5
i thought i heard that lortone dropped the 12 from there line of saws?
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Post by woodman on Oct 11, 2015 10:09:25 GMT -5
i thought i heard that lortone dropped the 12 from there line of saws? Lortone web site lists the ls12 saw. I would not say it is an exact duplicate but it is a very similar design. Now if all the parts would interchange I might agree. What is vastly different is the price.
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Post by Rockoonz on Oct 11, 2015 12:24:54 GMT -5
If you follow him on FB he claims theyre coming up with new designs with "new engineering"-dont quote me on this one--memory not too good with exact details that I read- just a generalization. Chinese Engineering= theft of patented work of others. We all know that and sometimes it's difficult or impossible not to buy Chinese products because they've already killed the competition. When a fellow American stoops to stealing jobs from his neighbors that's another story IMO.
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Post by quartz on Oct 11, 2015 22:59:17 GMT -5
At the sale we helped out with last weekend, one visitor said he has seen a "new" 24" HP in person. He said you can rock the carriage and see the rails flex.
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Post by broseph82 on Oct 11, 2015 23:51:33 GMT -5
I asked a China manufacturer to make some convex soft wheels and he wanted a design already made and he said he could replicate it. I repeatedly told him I wanted His engineers to create it and I, among many others, would buy it. He dropped the conversation
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Post by Rockoonz on Oct 12, 2015 0:54:19 GMT -5
At the sale we helped out with last weekend, one visitor said he has seen a "new" 24" HP in person. He said you can rock the carriage and see the rails flex. Yep. When they were at the pow wow in Q-site a few years ago I was looking at the demo 18" and pointing out the multiple areas of slipshod workmanship to my wife, it didn't go over well. Casey at Richardson's Ranch told me that the ones they bought had to be taken apart and all the "crappy Chinese parts" replaced. The local saw guru/rebuilder got one in trade and had a lot to say about it. I have a gear cover casting that came with the 14" HP in a basket that I recently purchased, I did better aluminum sand castings in 8th grade shop class, looks like oil might leak through the porosity of the casting. Vladimir Lenin supposedly said, “The capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them". Now it's looking a lot more like the Chinese will sell us the rope we hang ourselves with.
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Post by QuailRiver on Oct 12, 2015 5:44:01 GMT -5
I recently discovered that John Rowlands "new Highland Park" has introduced a new saw to their lineup. It is an EXACT copy of a 12" Lortone, down to the finest detail. It's bad enough selling a Harbor Freight quality copy of a saw that is no longer made, but directly stealing from a USA company that employs Americans and who uses strictly US suppliers when possible? There are no family friendly words I can use to express my opinion of what they're doing. I too was disgusted when I saw the HP Chinese 12" Lortone knock off and the HP 14HT which is very similar to the Lortone 14" Panther. And had the same feelings about the lack of concern for U.S. jobs. And It doesn't stop there. I also saw on the Lapidary Equipment Marketplace FB page recently where John Rowlands posted 3D CAD drawings of, and announced plans on making both a 14" Drop saw and a 10" slab saw that are nearly identical to the discontinued Lortone LS14 and LS10 saws. Apparently Lortone never patented their designs on these saws just like HP never did on theirs. So I doubt there is anything that Lortone can do legally to stop HP/China from stealing the designs (if that is indeed what is happening). It's up to the consumer to either reward or punish HP for doing so. And judging from the positive responses Rowlands was getting on FB from his announcement it appears few others share our patriotic indignation as long as they save a few bucks...even if what they are buying might be inferior. Larry C.
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Post by woodman on Oct 12, 2015 10:06:50 GMT -5
I wonder how many people on this site has purchased a NEW saw from Lortone? I agree, buy American made, but my wallet does have limits. I have 4 Lortone units and all were purchased used. They are old and still work just fine. The old saying is you get what you pay for. If you want stuff from the land of almost right you are free to buy it, but do not expect the quality.
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Post by QuailRiver on Oct 12, 2015 19:56:15 GMT -5
I wonder how many people on this site has purchased a NEW saw from Lortone? I agree, buy American made, but my wallet does have limits. I have 4 Lortone units and all were purchased used. They are old and still work just fine. The old saying is you get what you pay for. If you want stuff from the land of almost right you are free to buy it, but do not expect the quality. I have bought two new Lortone slab saws. A 12" and a 14". I have also bought several used Lortones including the 10" and 18" I use now. There is nothing wrong with buying a good used saw. If in good shape used is usually a better value. It's up to every individual to decide for themselves if they want risk their own money in the rewarding of a company who steals designs from a U.S. company to have cheap knock-offs made in China. Personally I feel we have lost enough U.S. jobs to China already and if I feel I can't afford to buy new U.S. made then I would rather buy used U.S. made. Larry C.
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Post by Rockoonz on Oct 13, 2015 0:52:05 GMT -5
I plan to either buy a new 6 wheel stainless cabbing unit from Lortone or the aluminum one from Sphere Products. I will probably get Rods unit because of a little more space between the wheels and it will run 6 or 8 inch wheels. I will get the US manufactured expando drums for sure though.
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Post by roy on Oct 14, 2015 14:37:34 GMT -5
If you follow him on FB he claims theyre coming up with new designs with "new engineering"-dont quote me on this one--memory not too good with exact details that I read- just a generalization. Chinese Engineering= theft of patented work of others. We all know that and sometimes it's difficult or impossible not to buy Chinese products because they've already killed the competition. When a fellow American stoops to stealing jobs from his neighbors that's another story IMO. this is all a cause by our goverment all parts rather than saws but auto parts or just about everything is made in china! the america youth dont want these jobs or any job for that matter ! you can make more money by sitting on your ass collecting welfare
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Post by roy on Oct 14, 2015 14:42:21 GMT -5
I wonder how many people on this site has purchased a NEW saw from Lortone? I agree, buy American made, but my wallet does have limits. I have 4 Lortone units and all were purchased used. They are old and still work just fine. The old saying is you get what you pay for. If you want stuff from the land of almost right you are free to buy it, but do not expect the quality. i plan on it but in my opinion the 14 needs the better vise on it rather than the cheepo bar clamp
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QuailRiver
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Post by QuailRiver on Oct 14, 2015 16:34:17 GMT -5
I wonder how many people on this site has purchased a NEW saw from Lortone? I agree, buy American made, but my wallet does have limits. I have 4 Lortone units and all were purchased used. They are old and still work just fine. The old saying is you get what you pay for. If you want stuff from the land of almost right you are free to buy it, but do not expect the quality. i plan on it but in my opinion the 14 needs the better vise on it rather than the cheepo bar clamp I actually like the over/under bar clamp on the Lortone, 10", 12" and 14" saws. Using various sizes of small wood wedges in conjunction with it, I've had less slippage and can get more slices out of the rock before having to use a slab grabber or glue the heel to a block. Also for me the over/under clamp is easier to use when sawing the heels once glued to pieces of wooden 2x4s. IMO the feed rate on the Lortone Panther is too fast so I replaced the powerfeed motor on mine with the same one used on their 12" saw and that fixed that problem. Larry C.
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Post by catmandewe on Oct 14, 2015 20:54:07 GMT -5
My friend Dave bought one of the new 12" saws, he said he was very disappointed with it and was sending it back.
Tony
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Post by QuailRiver on Oct 15, 2015 0:49:41 GMT -5
My friend Dave bought one of the new 12" saws, he said he was very disappointed with it and was sending it back. Tony The new HP 12"? Larry C.
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Post by catmandewe on Oct 16, 2015 22:12:37 GMT -5
Yes the new HP12"
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