br347213
starting to spend too much on rocks
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Post by br347213 on Nov 24, 2015 19:18:53 GMT -5
Southern Nevada
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Post by adam on Nov 24, 2015 20:08:12 GMT -5
I collected some banded jasper and the sorts down in Imperial County, CA. The material you have is similar to what I've seen. Couldn't always pick up everything pretty I saw.
I bet that area is loaded with goodies.
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br347213
starting to spend too much on rocks
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Post by br347213 on Nov 24, 2015 20:59:59 GMT -5
oh yeah plenty down here! enough that i can be pretty selective about what i tumble which is nice. found some nice banded material a few days ago. i didnt post it here i'll have to do that. still not very good at identification but it's probably some sort of agate lol...
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br347213
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Post by br347213 on Nov 25, 2015 13:02:43 GMT -5
Here's the banded material i found. It all came from the same rock, I could only find one. (for reference, the largest in the group is slightly bigger than a quarter.)
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br347213
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Post by br347213 on Nov 25, 2015 14:23:54 GMT -5
You ever collected on the shores of Lake Mohave Scott ? Nice agates along the shore. Lake should be low... Hi there, so I have a few questions about this. Lake Mohave is part of the Lake Mead National Recreation Area which prohibits rockhounding. Are most people aware of this do you think? Does the park not really care if you collect rocks or is it strictly prohibited? I've seen several blogs out there from folks who have hounded all around LMNRA at various venues and never said anything about it being prohibited and yet their site clearly states that it is a protected area and rockhounding is not allowed. I can't find anyone mentioning that anywhere else though. Maybe everyone is just ignoring this and "getting away with it." Thoughts?
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Post by jamesp on Nov 25, 2015 14:52:39 GMT -5
br347213- I have no idea. It was 15 years ago and on vacation from the east. I can not see how a few tumblers full of collected rocks could possibly hurt anything. I know Big Bend Park in Texas will nail you for a single rock. I was in a boat and felt like i was the only one at Mojave. and never knew anything about the rules as they seem so far fetched. check with local rock clubs and see what they say. They know the rules of your area. cans and can nots. If the warden/ranger says it's OK then you have your answer. Good Luck
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br347213
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Post by br347213 on Nov 25, 2015 15:24:56 GMT -5
Ok, thanks. I'll contact a few groups and see what they say
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Post by jamesp on Nov 25, 2015 22:30:33 GMT -5
Ok, thanks. I'll contact a few groups and see what they say If I was on the shore of that desolate lake I would be filling my buckets.
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Post by br347213 on Nov 26, 2015 1:29:50 GMT -5
Ok, thanks. I'll contact a few groups and see what they say If I was on the shore of that desolate lake I would be filling my buckets. Haha...i want to, i just want to make sure i'm not violating the rules. I wouldn't feel great about that. especially since i plan to make jewelry and sell it. i don't want to hide where it was collected from or feel guilty about it.
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Post by vegasjames on Nov 26, 2015 4:39:49 GMT -5
Collecting within the park is not a good idea. The park service is becoming more strict on that. I have heard that even if you drop your keys in the water you are not allowed to fish them back out. You are supposed to contact the park service and they will send their divers out to get them out of the water then charge you.
Part of the Gold Basin meteorite field also falls within the park and you can get fined $10,000 if caught with a metal detector or collecting meteorites within the park.
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Post by jamesp on Nov 26, 2015 7:33:55 GMT -5
I understand the metal detecting part. To restrict a citizen from surface collecting 10-20 pounds of rock a day(without digging) from a rock infested area like that is ludicrous.
You guys sound like respectable law abiding citizens. Please collect 10-20 pounds per day for me. Or for you, or for any one. Out of principle. Unfair rules should be broken. That is unfair. I would cherish any rock I collected there. And be proud of them.
Having to pay divers to fetch something dropped in the water ? Let me think about that NO. Two second answer is NO.
They have rules like that in Florida. One area of jurisdiction laughs about collecting restrictions, other rangers will bust you. Same rules, different enforcement procedures. Half the rangers are collectors themselves. They are criminals.
It is the collectors that deface pristine areas that have caused the problem in most cases. They should be reported, by you/by me.
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Post by jamesp on Nov 26, 2015 7:42:15 GMT -5
Lake Mohave, like 35 miles long. Gigantic. Your tax dollars paid for it. Call it a vested interest. They let me put a 2 stroke jet ski in the lake and drive to both ends. I guarantee it polluted more water in 2 hours than a rock collector picking up 2000 pounds of rock. Just the wake alone damaged the shore line 100 times more than a hoard of rock collectors could in a year. Oh, I represented recreational income, that makes it OK.
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Post by adam on Nov 26, 2015 8:12:17 GMT -5
I'd tell them park rangers to shove it, then run for the hills. I'd fill up any crack/crevice/cranny/pocket/bag/tumbler with rocks. I'd be so loaded with rocks anyone would laugh if they'd seen me trying to waddle and not drop any.
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Post by jamesp on Nov 26, 2015 8:35:33 GMT -5
I'd tell them park rangers to shove it, then run for the hills. I'd fill up any crack/crevice/cranny/pocket/bag/tumbler with rocks. I'd be so loaded with rocks anyone would laugh if they'd seen me trying to waddle and not drop any. Must be an attitude we have out east. Farming, building, more % land disruption out east is more acceptable practice. Agriculture has always been a mindset in the east, allowing fairly aggressive land disruptions. Much AG practice along riverine locations. Florida is buying up a lot of river frontage land and laying claim to it. Increasing their jurisdiction to the 'state owned waterways'. Allowing riparian rights, but limiting collecting. Alabama and Georgia, other southern states, practice timbering along rivers. Much less conservation concerns. Collecting rocks in the rivers ?; they could not care less.
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br347213
starting to spend too much on rocks
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Post by br347213 on Nov 26, 2015 13:12:27 GMT -5
Haha...wow well, some varying opinions here. I will be sticking with vegasjames on this one. Would love to collect from there but it just doesn't feel right. I'm still going to contact the park and get an official word on it but the gut feeling is that it'll be a big no.
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br347213
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Post by br347213 on Nov 26, 2015 16:49:13 GMT -5
Hi guys, here's todays update on my tumbles. I think i'm going on week 6 at this point. Though I don't have too many stones that have been in that long since i've culled many of them (some ditched and others put aside for stage 2). Today i was really pleased to find a nice thick milkshakey slurry. woo! finally. glad i figured that out. Here's some photos of how things are going. Slurry upon opening. Some nice pieces that need some more shaping but made fantastic progress for only having been in there one week. More from the other barrel. some have been in here one week, others longer. and what i have so far ready to go to stage 2 Culled again and loaded up with a bunch of brand new stuff. Trying 4tbsp of 60/90 instead of 5 and then using a few tbsps of slurry. just under 1/2 cup of water.
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Post by vegasjames on Nov 26, 2015 17:06:02 GMT -5
I understand the metal detecting part. To restrict a citizen from surface collecting 10-20 pounds of rock a day(without digging) from a rock infested area like that is ludicrous. You guys sound like respectable law abiding citizens. Please collect 10-20 pounds per day for me. Or for you, or for any one. Out of principle. Unfair rules should be broken. That is unfair. I would cherish any rock I collected there. And be proud of them. Having to pay divers to fetch something dropped in the water ? Let me think about that NO. Two second answer is NO. They have rules like that in Florida. One area of jurisdiction laughs about collecting restrictions, other rangers will bust you. Same rules, different enforcement procedures. Half the rangers are collectors themselves. They are criminals. It is the collectors that deface pristine areas that have caused the problem in most cases. They should be reported, by you/by me. Yes, I agree it is unfair. But that is what governments do, they control. Look at the Mojave Preserve. Do you really think it is to protect some animal or plant species? No, not at all. Look at how the preserve juts out every which direction. Now look at where the mines are located in the area. The Mojave Preserve encompasses every single mine in the area to make sure no mining activity can take place. Then there is the Antiquities Act that keeps getting expanded. First covering all ship wrecks in what they are calling US territory waters, and now even applies to things such as any old bottles more than 50 years old. And of you want another great example, look up the story about the Old Woman meteorite and how the guys who found it got screwed by the government. As for the metal detecting part this has nothing to do with limits. If that were the case then this would apply to the same meteorite field outside the park.
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Post by jamesp on Nov 26, 2015 17:32:08 GMT -5
Great reasons to collect on theses site vegasjames. Looks like the govt.'s greed is very far reaching in that area. Citizens should use common sense and collect in moderation. Fair rules vs unfair. Dealing with quality of life when restrictions are placed on rockhounds in such mineral rich territory. I choose to rebel. Not out of spite but out of fairness. No bravado, but not ashamed. Ocala National Forest is nothing but 300,000 acres of non-native pulp pines farmed on our public land for govt profit. They raped the native forestland and replaced it with shit pines. They do not fool me. Again, they are criminals. It is a pleasure to collect on their properties and skirt their enforcement people. Catch me if you can. Not necessary to worry here in Georgia, collecting is about welcomed. But Florida is a problem. And the first time I get caught I will get a warning. Then I will worry about the consequences of being caught a second time because they will likely prosecute. I have a collecting buddy that got a warning two years ago and he wisely quit collecting on prohibited lands. Angered me. Great fellow to collect with.
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br347213
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Post by br347213 on Nov 27, 2015 17:02:19 GMT -5
Response from LMNRA:
"Rockhounding is prohibited in National Parks. Sorry, there is no flexibility. And yes, for whatever reason, people are breaking the law if they are collecting, removing or damaging anything in the park. Thanks."
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Post by br347213 on Dec 7, 2015 16:33:07 GMT -5
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