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mohs In Memoriam RIP mohstly Member since January 2009 Posts: 19,412	Sardonyx Feb 3, 2016 21:57:13 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by mohs on Feb 3, 2016 21:57:13 GMT -5 pictures or explanations anyone?
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jakesrocks In Memoriam RIP Don Woodward AKA jakesrocks Member since April 2010 Posts: 12,696	Sardonyx Feb 3, 2016 22:30:33 GMT -5 mohs and unclesoska like this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by jakesrocks on Feb 3, 2016 22:30:33 GMT -5 Was going to be a smartass and compare it to sardines, but here ya go Ed. www.gemselect.com/other-info/sardonyx-gems.php
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Peruano driving up their electric bill Heads Up! Member since March 2011 Posts: 2,429	Sardonyx Feb 4, 2016 7:58:15 GMT -5 mohs likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Peruano on Feb 4, 2016 7:58:15 GMT -5 My go to site for anything related to quartz, chalcedony or agate is quartzpage.de The organization of the site speeds me toward the answer or info sought. Tom
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Sardonyx Feb 4, 2016 17:50:09 GMT -5

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Feb 3, 2016 22:30:33 GMT -5 jakesrocks said:

Was going to be a smartass and compare it to sardines, but here ya go Ed. www.gemselect.com/other-info/sardonyx-gems.php

That's a really great page Don!!

Answers pretty much the pertinent questions
I need to explain
sardonyx as birthstone !

If you have any you could
send/throw me a chunk

hold the anchovies,, please !!

ha ha

what have I started?

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mohs In Memoriam RIP mohstly Member since January 2009 Posts: 19,412	Sardonyx Feb 4, 2016 17:54:57 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by mohs on Feb 4, 2016 17:54:57 GMT -5 Tom Peruano that quartz page is electro piezo it really rocks! thanks for posting ! Ed
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jakesrocks In Memoriam RIP Don Woodward AKA jakesrocks Member since April 2010 Posts: 12,696	Sardonyx Feb 4, 2016 17:56:53 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by jakesrocks on Feb 4, 2016 17:56:53 GMT -5 I'll pass on the anchovies Ed. Love sardines in mustard sauce though. Don't think I have any sardonyx, with or without mustard sauce. I'd have to check buckets in my shed after spring thaw.
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mohs In Memoriam RIP mohstly Member since January 2009 Posts: 19,412	Sardonyx Feb 4, 2016 18:07:02 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by mohs on Feb 4, 2016 18:07:02 GMT -5 I'll remind ya in summer time as a kid I used to like sardines but something changed got old & finicky mostly
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jakesrocks In Memoriam RIP Don Woodward AKA jakesrocks Member since April 2010 Posts: 12,696	Sardonyx Feb 4, 2016 20:08:16 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by jakesrocks on Feb 4, 2016 20:08:16 GMT -5 LOL. So did my wife, until I opened one up & showed her that the gutts & bones were still inside. She hasn't touched a can of my sardines since.
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Sardonyx Feb 4, 2016 20:10:54 GMT -5

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Feb 4, 2016 20:08:16 GMT -5 jakesrocks said:

LOL. So did my wife, until I opened one up & showed her that the gutts & bones were still inside. She hasn't touched a can of my sardines since.

A woman I know cleans the sardines guts out.Heck that's the best part!!

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mohs In Memoriam RIP mohstly Member since January 2009 Posts: 19,412	Sardonyx Feb 4, 2016 22:02:12 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by mohs on Feb 4, 2016 22:02:12 GMT -5 Dad use to make Bagna càuda
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Sardonyx Feb 4, 2016 23:56:31 GMT -5 mohs likes this

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"Sardonyx" and related definitions from Leland Quicks " The Book of Agates" A lot of differences in these definitions from other writers though.

Chalcedony (agate) with straight parallel bands or layers of reddish-brown to brown alternating with other colors. The name is used incorrectly for carnelian, especially in the jewelry trade.

"Sard Agate" is banded agate similar to sardonyx except the bands are not straight and parallel.

"Sard" is translucent brown to reddish brown chalcedony. The redder varieties would be subclasses of carnelian. the more brown subtypes, sard.

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Sardonyx Feb 5, 2016 18:29:22 GMT -5

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Thanks guys!

Sard doesn’t seem to be a very popular term anymore

‘your just chip off the ol’sard’

I’m sure was once a popular saying ...mostly

Here a rock I found by a onyx quarry in Prescott, AZ.

at one time I thought the black was sard

here’s another rock that I thought was onyx

but I’m pretty sure it layer travertine
precipitated & calcitic from water

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Feb 5, 2016 10:44:38 GMT -5 amygdule said:

Some examples of alternating red/white stripes in Lake Superior Agates

I think those lakers are the closest thing to sardonyx
really make you wonder what the ancient thought sardonyx was ?
I mean they knew about agates & onyx
why the distinctive term?

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I imagine the main reason for the distinctive term was to differentiate between sardonyx with the browner tones and gem grade red-red-orange carnelian.

The main item that bugs me is the often failure to differentiate between banded calcite onyx ( travertine) and the much rarer banded agate onyx. In olden times, the only real onyx was banded agate....Mel

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Sardonyx Feb 10, 2016 9:21:53 GMT -5

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This is from Oxford dictionary

Definition of sard in English:
noun
A yellow or brownish-red variety of chalcedony.

Origin
Late Middle English: from French sarde or Latin sarda, from Greek sardios, probably from Sardō 'Sardinia'.

What I’d like to do is find the first written use of the word – sardonyx.
I do believe there is a Biblical reference
and I’ll have to do more research...

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Sardonyx Feb 10, 2016 17:49:18 GMT -5

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Biblical reference is in Revelations 21:20 and in those days it was only "Onyx". Onyx supposedly comes from the Greek and Latin but from what I'm able to find, the colors were differentiated out in Roman times so the term "sardonyx" may have been present in biblical times but I could find no reference to that particular specific term....Mel

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Sardonyx Feb 10, 2016 19:36:09 GMT -5

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right on Mel!

That priestly breastplate with 12 stone/gems as causes some wondering
I just found this in wiki for what its worth

First row- first stone
Odem (אֹדֶם = in the masoretic text) / Sardios (in the Septuagint) - both names mean red (Odem is cognate with Adam), and probably refers to Sard, an immensely common stone in classical cultures. All authors agree that this stone was of a red colour. With due respect to the Septuagint, Odem might also refer to Carnelian, which was flesh-coloured, or to Jasper, which was usually a deep blood-red, was valued as a charm against bleeding, and was common in the surrounding nations of Egypt, Babylonia, and Assyria. The Chinese Union Version refers to this stone as being a ruby.

baḳarani (believed to be a corruption of barḳan) was an exceptionally beautiful and rare onyx stone mined on Mount Anis, in Yemen, one variety of which having a red surface with a vein of white over another of black running through it

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mohs In Memoriam RIP mohstly Member since January 2009 Posts: 19,412	Sardonyx Feb 14, 2016 20:12:32 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by mohs on Feb 14, 2016 20:12:32 GMT -5 and how did sardonyx get associated with black? what is black sardonyx?
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Ed, probably the confusion was caused by both black and white and brown and white banded agate being called "onyx" in old literature when supposedly "Onyx" was reserved for the banded black and white only. Then carnelian and sard were used to differentiate out the other banded color varieties......Mel

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Sardonyx Feb 17, 2016 19:58:53 GMT -5

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I'm with Mel on the use of onyx for banded travertine. It should always be in quodtes to esignate it is onyx looking not real onyx. Then there is the popular black onyx used in beads and jewelry that I have read occurs nowhere in nature until the Chinese cook it up.

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