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Post by jamesp on Mar 9, 2016 6:58:41 GMT -5
This is hurricane Francis back in 2004. It hit the east coast and slammed my property on the west side of Lake George. It made land fall and slowed down. 30 miles later it hits Lake George and picks up speed across the 8 miles of open water. View to SE. The top of the eye is heading toward Lake George on this radar image: Lake George is the bulge in the St John's River between Marion and Volusia counties: 2004 was active, central Florida was grand central.: Lake George experienced a semi-Sunami in that the east side of the lake was blown shallow and the west side rose equally. The wave action lifted the floor boards off the docks. the weight of the floating lumber moving northerly up the shore wiped out 5 miles of docks. Docks in repair 2006, same, view to SE : The marker is the 'weed line'. All vegetation and thick organic muck was removed by the wave action and deposited 200 feet deep in the woods. 6-8 foot rollers breaking 200 feet from the shore in the thick forest. Est. wind speed 100-120 MPH. Trees snapped except oaks and palms. This was a particularly bad hurricane in that it spurred so many tornadoes. Death toll directly associated was 43. Francis just a Cat 2 at landfall. It is odd that the north east coast of Florida has dodged Cat 3/4/5 hurricanes in recent decades. The odds of such luck are low. And a direct strike of a powerful storm will be devastating due to heavy development.
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Post by radio on Mar 9, 2016 7:33:27 GMT -5
Now that is one well defined storm!!!
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Post by jamesp on Mar 9, 2016 7:50:29 GMT -5
Now that is one well defined storm!!! If conditions were slightly more favorable Francis would have been really bad news. I remember Ivan hit the gulf this year. 160 MPH, check out size, it was a hoss. Ivan: Francis: Katrina: Ivan and Katrina squared up in the middle of the warm gulf water and got energized.
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Post by jamesp on Mar 9, 2016 8:08:21 GMT -5
This hurricane killed so many because Lake Okeechobee was blown to 6-9 feet deeper on the west shore as the winds came in from the east. The surge drowned those on the west bank causing most of the deaths. Only the Galveston Hurricane had a higher death toll in the US.
4. THE LAKE OKEECHOBEE FLORIDA CATASTROPHE * September 16, 1928 * landfall near Palm Beach, Florida * Category 4 at landfall * Category 5 landfall in Puerto Rico on September 13th * Hurricane force winds produced 6-9 storm surge on lake Okeechobee! * pressure 27.43" (929 mb) at landfall * 2500+ deaths * damage $32 million
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Post by radio on Mar 9, 2016 8:12:52 GMT -5
Crazy as it sounds, I always wanted to experience a Hurricane. Done a bit of storm chasing here in the Midwest, but Tornadoes are very unpredictable and can trap even the most experienced chasers. We lost 3 veteran chasers in El Reno Oklahoma in May of '13
RIP Tim Samaras, his son Paul Samaras and fellow storm chaser Carl Young
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Post by Intheswamp on Mar 9, 2016 8:30:11 GMT -5
Opal was a bad one for Alabama dollar-wise back in '95. Lots of pecan orchards were wiped out and large tracts of timber were laid down...you couldn't find a logger that wanted the pick-up-sticks piles of trees. I lost a lot of very old hardwoods down in the swamp. So many, that for several years the area was impassable due to the loss of canopy and the surge in bay bush growth...if you wanted to get through the bay bushes...you crawled. The problem for us and Opal was that it had rained for a week prior to Opal coming inland...the ground was saturated and trees didn't have much of a chance. I peeked out the back door during the storm and saw a ~60-70 foot tall pecan tree bent over with it's top touching the ground from the wind...I quickly quit peeking and went back to the interior of the house. Later when the eye was passing over I went outside and I could see the root mass was pushing up the earth about a foot on the south side of the tree...the next morning it along with several more trees were uprooted and laying on the ground.
In '04 Ivan did a good bit of damage up our way...lots of timber damage again...better than Opal, though.
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Post by Intheswamp on Mar 9, 2016 8:44:02 GMT -5
Crazy as it sounds, I always wanted to experience a Hurricane. Done a bit of storm chasing here in the Midwest, but Tornadoes are very unpredictable and can trap even the most experienced chasers. We lost 3 veteran chasers in El Reno Oklahoma in May of '13 RIP Tim Samaras, his son Paul Samaras and fellow storm chaser Carl Young My parents had some kinfolk from out west traveling through the area when Opal came through. The night Opal made landfall they spent the night with my parents. My parents were tea-totalers but the kinfolk had a little traveling bar with them...they broke it out that night. The next morning when all the excitement was over they couldn't get out of town fast enough...I guess they thought Opal might turn around and come back through or something. One problem with hurricanes is that they can spin off lots of tornadoes. Wind speeds don't approach that of tornadoes, though, but it is sustained over a much, much longer period of time. First you get wind in one direction, then a calm (eye), then wind in the opposite direction. In our area you seldom see a tornado coming like I see in pictures from the plains states, seems most storms happen at night for some reason. BUT, it seems that some are beginning to track longer on the ground than they used to...or maybe technology can just watch them better now. We've had some interesting storms lately, the last one with straight-line winds that were *very* strong. The above is dealing with a location inland about 90 miles north of the Florida panhandle coast...we really have it pretty good up here. On the coast and up the rivers and creeks that feed into the gulf (or wherever) they have to deal with storm surge...which is deadly. I had a friend of mine down below Milton that had to cut him and his daughter and friend out of the attic of his house with a battery operated skilsaw....cut through the roof to get out....he was *several* miles from the coastline but the surge traveled up the creek his house was on. Between the wind, storm surge, and flooding...it's a disaster.
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Post by radio on Mar 9, 2016 8:45:45 GMT -5
It's hard to believe, but Missouri often gets affected by the remnants of hurricanes, often with enough rain to cause major flooding and Tornadoes as a ham radio operator, I have been involved with emergency communications during and after many of the hurricanes. Even in far away states, radio operators assist by connecting relatives and checking on the welfare of storm victims when most other methods of communications are down. Sometimes old technology is better than new technology Morse code has been around since the 1840's and wireless transmitters since the late 1890's when Marconi transmitted wireless signals
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Post by Intheswamp on Mar 9, 2016 8:45:48 GMT -5
Crazy as it sounds, I always wanted to experience a Hurricane. Done a bit of storm chasing here in the Midwest, but Tornadoes are very unpredictable and can trap even the most experienced chasers. We lost 3 veteran chasers in El Reno Oklahoma in May of '13 RIP Tim Samaras, his son Paul Samaras and fellow storm chaser Carl Young On another note, my BIL and I use to do what we called "storm camp". When we knew a big storm system was coming in we would setup a campsite and ride the storms out there. Makes for some interesting "hunkering down". We always picked spots without trees/limbs above us.
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Post by jamesp on Mar 9, 2016 8:47:44 GMT -5
Crazy as it sounds, I always wanted to experience a Hurricane. Done a bit of storm chasing here in the Midwest, but Tornadoes are very unpredictable and can trap even the most experienced chasers. We lost 3 veteran chasers in El Reno Oklahoma in May of '13 RIP Tim Samaras, his son Paul Samaras and fellow storm chaser Carl Young I was fishing the gulf 2003-2006. 2004 was insane. Hurricanes blew deep sea fish along with blue water in closer to shore. Deep water species like sailfish, large groupers, wahoo, tuna. Sunken ships would have 6 feet higher sand surrounding them. Toss boat in and go out 6 miles instead of 40 miles and get the deep sea species. Safer cheaper and quicker. The sea was calm before, but took 2 weeks to calm down after. You could look at the horizon and see the 'buffalo roaming'. Saw tooth water pattern in front of the sky looked like buffalo on the horizon. Meaning you had 6-12 foot seas off shore and do not venture out. Low pressure systems bring storms and good bite. Low pressure allows pelagic fish to move faster and feed better. Less weight on the water. Bonita-tuna-mackeral-blues, the schooling fast swimmers that leave glitter in the water. Scales and pieces of minnows that they ravage. spottable by sea birds feeding on the slaughter. My family along the east coast. Have experienced a few hurricanes. Yes, you should be there. It is worth it. The best time in the ocean is when the long swells 200 feet tip to tip occur after a hurricane. Glassy water and deep valley/ridge development. Safe to navigate, crest gives long distance view, valley nothing but walls of water. Riding a high speed jet ski over these ridges is some real aerial boating, jumping the crests and a gentle landing on the slope behind. Staying airborne for 80 feet(back in younger days).
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Post by jamesp on Mar 9, 2016 9:06:00 GMT -5
About all storms come from Ed's Alabama. Ed grins when they leave his place. Intheswamp, why do you do us that way ? Opal got us too. Stagnated over us and broke half the dams in and around Atlanta. The hills on the other side of the river had oak forests that were completely leveled not two miles away. us swampers on the low side of the river lost nary a tree. As if it was super strong winds 400 feet up.
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Post by radio on Mar 9, 2016 9:09:32 GMT -5
Crazy as it sounds, I always wanted to experience a Hurricane. Done a bit of storm chasing here in the Midwest, but Tornadoes are very unpredictable and can trap even the most experienced chasers. We lost 3 veteran chasers in El Reno Oklahoma in May of '13 RIP Tim Samaras, his son Paul Samaras and fellow storm chaser Carl Young I was fishing the gulf 2003-2006. 2004 was insane. Hurricanes blew deep sea fish along with blue water in closer to shore. Deep water species like sailfish, large groupers, wahoo, tuna. Sunken ships would have 6 feet higher sand surrounding them. Toss boat in and go out 6 miles instead of 40 miles and get the deep sea species. Safer cheaper and quicker. The sea was calm before, but took 2 weeks to calm down after. You could look at the horizon and see the 'buffalo roaming'. Saw tooth water pattern in front of the sky looked like buffalo on the horizon. Meaning you had 6-12 foot seas off shore and do not venture out. Low pressure systems bring storms and good bite. Low pressure allows pelagic fish to move faster and feed better. Less weight on the water. Bonita-tuna-mackeral-blues, the schooling fast swimmers that leave glitter in the water. Scales and pieces of minnows that they ravage. spottable by sea birds feeding on the slaughter. My family along the east coast. Have experienced a few hurricanes. Yes, you should be there. It is worth it. The best time in the ocean is when the long swells 200 feet tip to tip occur after a hurricane. Glassy water and deep valley/ridge development. Safe to navigate, crest gives long distance view, valley nothing but walls of water. Riding a high speed jet ski over these ridges is some real aerial boating, jumping the crests and a gentle landing on the slope behind. Staying airborne for 80 feet(back in younger days). Back in 2000 or so, the wife and I went on a small charter boat for Salmon out of Bodega Bay, Ca . We had swells in the 11 to 12 foot range and it made an interesting trip! The Captain was without a First mate that day, so when one of the 6 of us would hook a Salmon, he had me take over the wheel while he helped boat the fish. I must say that was a lot of fun and a very interesting experience. D#*& d Sea Lions took a bunch of fish right off the hook that day, including the biggest one I caught. The wife and I both had our limit of two and they were by far better than anything you can buy in a store!
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Post by jamesp on Mar 9, 2016 9:13:48 GMT -5
Bigger boat I hope radio. 12 feet in a 22 footer is a real ride. Only the most experienced can bring a small boat in in such seas. I watched weekend warriors coming from Atlanta and being motivated to get in those rough seas to make their long drive worthy. if you do go fishing again, hit Venice, Louisiana. Some of the world's finest where the drop-off of the Mississippi River flows into the ocean.
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Post by radio on Mar 9, 2016 9:24:20 GMT -5
Bigger boat I hope radio . 12 feet in a 22 footer is a real ride. Only the most experienced can bring a small boat in in such seas. I watched weekend warriors coming from Atlanta and being motivated to get in those rough seas to make their long drive worthy. if you do go fishing again, hit Venice, Louisiana. Some of the world's finest where the drop-off of the Mississippi River flows into the ocean. If I remember correctly, it was a 30 footer. I know that Cat diesel had plenty of power! I want to fish the Gulf soooo bad! Maybe next year we can pull it off. Just need more of the tourists to leave some of their $$ in Branson with me
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Post by rockjunquie on Mar 9, 2016 9:45:54 GMT -5
I've seen more than a few hurricanes in my day. The names all run together. One of them wiped out my BIL's house and all his belongings. It was awful. But, Gloria was fun. I lived at the beach and had the best hurricane party. I hate to admit that I went swimming in it. If only I was smarter and older then. When I think of how stupid I was, I thank the Big Guy for looking out for me.
I lived in Pensacola for about 4 years. Dodged all the hurricanes. When we moved and had all of our stuff in storage down there, a big hurricane came through. I was glad we missed it, but worried about losing our things.
In Orange Park, a tornado came through and put a Volkswagen on a neighbors roof. Didn't bother us, at all. Weird.
I think the worst hurricane, just in terms of being scary was Felix. That damn storm sat off the coast of VA and went back and forth between heading out to sea and coming into the Chesapeake. That is the worst case scenario for this area. It would push all the water up into the waterways all the way to Richmond and swamp us coming back out. I was living in a small trailer at the time. I put all of our stuff in a rental van and went inland. My nerves were shot.
And, believe it or not, when I was a kid in Rhode Island, I saw the eye of the storm go right over our place. It was a weak storm, but something to see, nonetheless.
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Post by rockjunquie on Mar 9, 2016 9:50:04 GMT -5
Forgot to mention- Some years after Hugo, I was flying to Jacksonville going south and I noticed a huge, and I mean gigantic, swath going from the ocean inland almost as far as I could see. It looked like the path of a cat 10 tornado. It took me a minute to realize that it was the path of Hugo. It had ripped up everything in its path.
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Post by mohs on Mar 9, 2016 9:58:24 GMT -5
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Post by Intheswamp on Mar 9, 2016 10:16:37 GMT -5
About all storms come from Ed's Alabama. Ed grins when they leave his place. Intheswamp , why do you do us that way ? Opal got us too. Stagnated over us and broke half the dams in and around Atlanta. The hills on the other side of the river had oak forests that were completely leveled not two miles away. us swampers on the low side of the river lost nary a tree. As if it was super strong winds 400 feet up. Aw, blame it on us, will ya!<g> Seems a lot of the storm systems travel from south Mississippi northeasterly up I-65 and then I-85 to Atlanta...maybe they've got a flight to catch at ATL? So, can we blame those on Mississippi? Lots of them meander around off the Florida panhandle before deciding to come ashore...we'll blame those on captbob. Opal was a strange storm in that it seemed that once it hit land it "bounced' or something and skipped some areas between us and the coast, then landed down around Gantt, Alabama and started it's bulldozer act. Buffaloes on the horizon, eh? I've only seen something similar in New Zealand. Was on a tour boat on Milford Sound and they got us out close to the mouth of it so we could look out to the Tasman Sea....nope, didn't want to go there!!!! We were seeing whitecaps MILES away. Incredible!!! As for "walls of water" I've actually experienced that over at Walter F George/Lake Eufaula. Coming in from a camping expedition down the river we stopped on the south, wide end of the lake to have dinner before we made the run up the lake to Lakepoint. Wind was brisk and the swells and troughs were the most interesting I've ever seen them. We were on a 21' pontoon and when we sank down into a trough it was wall-to-wall water around us as we ate our sardines, cheese, and crackers. ...and it was just as smooth as could be. I can only imagine experiencing that to the magnitude of the ocean...that would be cool.
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Post by jamesp on Mar 10, 2016 9:30:27 GMT -5
Forgot to mention- Some years after Hugo, I was flying to Jacksonville going south and I noticed a huge, and I mean gigantic, swath going from the ocean inland almost as far as I could see. It looked like the path of a cat 10 tornado. It took me a minute to realize that it was the path of Hugo. It had ripped up everything in its path. Hugo(humongo) was a freak due to the inland high wind speeds that leveled timber stands over a large area. Forests looked like Mt. St. Helen blast laying trees over. Land impact did not slow it near as much as other storms have been slowed down.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2016 20:23:43 GMT -5
Crazy as it sounds, I always wanted to experience a Hurricane. Done a bit of storm chasing here in the Midwest, but Tornadoes are very unpredictable and can trap even the most experienced chasers. We lost 3 veteran chasers in El Reno Oklahoma in May of '13 RIP Tim Samaras, his son Paul Samaras and fellow storm chaser Carl Young I drove thru a cat 1 hurricane on my way to the daytona beach reptile expo. Nothing big. Frances hit the same reptile show in 2004. During the expo! Dead on. Blowing out the windows of all but the largest hotels. I did not go. My biz partner stayed at the best western. 2" of rain on the floor. No showers, no lights, no AC. At least the sheets were dry. Poor guy had to get trashed just to sleep, it was miserable. No discount either.
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