hound593
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Post by hound593 on Apr 30, 2016 10:46:58 GMT -5
hello everyone, i am new to lapidary and have a question on working stones. i am wanting to make a set of knife scales out of rocks/stones. i don't know if i will persue the hobbie so for now, i don't want to invest lots of $$$. i am going to cut a couple of slabs with a miter saw, which i know will leave a rough surface, then true up the surfaces using a milling machine. my idea is to mount a segmented cup wheel, the kind used for surfacing concrete, in the mill and then clean up the faces. i think i can also flatten the rough outside of the stone to maximize the number of slabs i can get out of the rough. now the question, what style of wheel would work well without chipping the edges of the scales. what grit? i am looking at a 4-5" wheel due to price. i'm not looking for a polished surface from the operation just a nice flat surface without deep scratches or gouges. these scale will be contourer latter with a flex shaft. an advise is appreciated.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 13:34:30 GMT -5
What stone do you plan to cut?
You might also look at granite pads.
Welcome to the site. I too found this joint researching knife scales. Never made a knife!
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hound593
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Post by hound593 on Apr 30, 2016 15:41:40 GMT -5
turritella is what i am going to do first. i also want to try jasper, agate, howlite, petrified wood, lapis, etc... prety much everything, in other words the whole range of hardnesses.
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Post by metalsmith on May 5, 2016 14:05:43 GMT -5
Haha - if you're going to do all those, you might as well get the kit! Welcome along!
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ol3m3
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Post by ol3m3 on May 5, 2016 20:11:07 GMT -5
You should be able to do all of the necessary shaping on a flat lap. cheaper then a milling machine and probably faster, if you are into lapidary a 8" diamond wheel would also work, but require a bit more in the way of skill.
The 8" wheel would be good for shaping after the scales are attached to the knife blank, as you will want to round and shape the scales to your final design. one thing to avoid on your first knife would be hollow finger slots, would need a fordom with diamond bits to shape the small radius hollows, and they are a pain to shape and polish.
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Post by Rockoonz on May 5, 2016 20:20:20 GMT -5
There is no power feed speed on a mill that is slow enough for rock. Also, how are you going to protect the gibs on your mill from highly abrasive rock cutting slurry?
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hound593
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Post by hound593 on May 7, 2016 23:48:07 GMT -5
thanks for all the replys everyone. i have the mill on hand and as to the slurry and gibb problem, i wanted to try it dry with a shop vac to control the dust, to give a better idea of the tools at my disposal i have a 12" diamond lap (working on making the lapping machine right now), silicon carbide grind wheels & mounted points. a couple of diamond saw blades, seg. cup wheels, 8" expanding wheel, a couple 6" diamond wheels, and an impresive collection of mounted points in just about every shape and grit. i will consentrate on getting the flat lap finished.
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Post by vegasjames on May 8, 2016 0:29:02 GMT -5
Be easier to just buy a slab large enough to use. I use a tile saw for the rough cut and a cabbing machine or flat lap for most the smoothing. When on the knife I use an angle grinder with diamond pads for further shaping and polishing. You can pick up a Chicago Electric angle grinder for about $20 on sale. Use aluminum backers for the pads. The plastic ones will fly apart. 4" aluminum backers on Ebay for about $11 and the pads vary. Bulk is cheaper and you can chose the grits you want.
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ol3m3
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Post by ol3m3 on May 9, 2016 21:33:30 GMT -5
I'd be very careful about dry grinding, even with a shop vac running, there will be a lot of dust, dust that is not good for the lungs, think silicosis, not a very good thing to contract. not to mention probably ruining the milling machine, all that dust settling on the greased ways which will act like sandpaper ruining the ways.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2016 14:02:50 GMT -5
I'd be very careful about dry grinding, Wink wink.
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Post by rockjunquie on May 12, 2016 16:51:52 GMT -5
I'd be very careful about dry grinding, Wink wink. Please tell me that you know that person and that is why you are winking, because if it was a joke, I'll have to go all grandmother on you and tell you- shame on you.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2016 17:08:39 GMT -5
Please tell me that you know that person and that is why you are winking, because if it was a joke, I'll have to go all grandmother on you and tell you- shame on you. Joke. Too bad I disappointed you.
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Post by barclay on May 12, 2016 21:17:43 GMT -5
turritella is what i am going to do first. i also want to try jasper, agate, howlite, petrified wood, lapis, etc... prety much everything, in other words the whole range of hardnesses. I have done about 20 knife scales so I am far from an expert, but I have some suggestions about your plans: Softer stones like howlite and lapis are not going to perform well for a "working" knife. If you are making a show piece or something that sits in a nice soft pocket all by itself then it is less of an issue. Remember the dust in your pocket has a hardness of 7. Turritella is really hard stuff, I would start off with something a bit softer like a jasper. Those snail shells also have a nasty habit of coming out or having hollow spots. Dry sanding is not a good plan. Most of the great colors in stone are made by heavy metals and you don't want to breathe that stuff. Silicosis is bad also, but metal poisoning will kill you quicker. Remember, Mother Nature rarely gives anything pure. That pretty copper mineral probably has some lead, nickel and other nasties in it. Dry sanding also heats up the stone which will either slow you down to cool the stone or could crack it. People have already beat to death the mess and grit in the machine issues. Mike Hoover has a wonderful tutorial on making knife scales, here is the link. www.allaboutpocketknives.com/content/knife-related-projects-tutorials/mike-hoovers-art-in-stone-the-basics/I prefer to do most of the stone work before putting the scale on the knife, he likes to work the stone in the knife. I damage the handle less if I do the stone work first.
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rochaura
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Post by rochaura on Apr 19, 2017 7:28:03 GMT -5
Dry working is never a really good idea. I would be especially doubtful about cutting stone on a miter saw for any number of reasons. A tile saw can be had really cheap. Dry grinding on a milling machine would absolutely damage a very expensive piece of equipment. You would get faster and better results with a belt sander. I know I shouldn't but I do flatten stones that way outside with a stiff wind or large fan and face mask. I do my shaping after mounting. One thing that makes that easier is a convex diamond plated wheel. These can be found at industrial suppliers, but they aren't cheap. My tool supplier happened to have some seconds years ago. It was still expensive.
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goatgrinder
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Post by goatgrinder on Apr 24, 2017 15:13:24 GMT -5
As a knife maker you should already have a belt sander and grinder. SiC belts are available for wet or dry shaping and come to very little $$. Easy to use, fast and easy to clean and change out for finer grits and use of polishing belts of other material. I should add that my 7in tile saw was picked up at GoodWill for $20, and I've had it for years. Best of luck.
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