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Post by mohs on Apr 30, 2016 20:32:11 GMT -5
well Rick those may be famous last words ha ha
good post!
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 15:58:23 GMT -5
You definitely don't wanna get bit by one of those. Thankfully, they will only bite you if they think they are being fed. The venom is anticoagulant and necrotic.
Ugly scars for sure.
Don't worry you have to ask for it.
Cool video. Nice find. Means you were in toad country! Thanks for the post!
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 20:56:21 GMT -5
You definitely don't wanna get bit by one of those. Thankfully, they will only bite you if they think they are being fed. The venom is anticoagulant and necrotic. Ugly scars for sure. Don't worry you have to ask for it. Cool video. Nice find. Means you were in toad country! Thanks for the post! A hognose? Bite?....Lol. While they are mildly poisonouss to the toads and slugs they eat, their poison does not affect people in any way. They sell them in pet stores for crying out loud. Also, their tiny fangs are in the rear of their jaws instead of the front. This would explain their defense of playing dead instead of biting. Having evolved to only deliver their toxin to their food, and unable to deliver it to actually defend itself, it would be pointless to bite something as big as a human who would stomp it to death because the bite is so feeble. So it plays dead instead. I saw someone actually stick his finger in a hognose's mouth and wiggle it around in there. The snake would not bite the finger. Now, if you mean the Massasauga, if you can find one and then keep it from running away, it could hurt you some although it has the least toxic venom of all the U.S. rattlers. Yep, western Michigan is toad country (and hognose country) to the max. I took five out of the pool this morning. They think the pool is a pond and jump in to breed. The sand dunes and woods around here are perfect habitat for toads. You're welcome for the post  It's always fun to throw something like that in on a trip report. My wife would probably disagree on that one. Dude, I used to own one of those pet stores. I derived my lifelihood from selling snakes for almost 15 years. Pet stores also sell pythins that get 16 feet and 200# and capable of kiling an adult human. Others even in California sell rattlesnakes. The "they sell them in pet stors" is not a real good filter for safety. Google hognose bite if ya dont believe me. I have two rather close friends had disfiguring bites from western hognose. Yes the venom is for killing toads, it is also to digest them! One had a scar from his heel, the bite site, almost 6 inches above the ankle bone. The other lose use of his pointer finger for almost a year and that particular scar spread onto his thumb and palm. Please dont discard my knowledge. Also, dont think I mean they are deadly or even dangerous. But one must be cautious around them. Mostly at feeding time. Both bites I described are feeding bites. Have fun! |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 21:29:00 GMT -5
Dude, I used to own one of those pet stores. I derived my lifelihood from selling snakes for almost 15 years. Pet stores also sell pythins that get 16 feet and 200# and capable of kiling an adult human. Others even in California sell rattlesnakes. The "they sell them in pet stors" is not a real good filter for safety. Google hognose bite if ya dont believe me. I have two rather close friends had disfiguring bites from western hognose. Yes the venom is for killing toads, it is also to digest them! One had a scar from his heel, the bite site, almost 6 inches above the ankle bone. The other lose use of his pointer finger for almost a year and that particular scar spread onto his thumb and palm. Please dont discard my knowledge. Also, dont think I mean they are deadly or even dangerous. But one must be cautious around them. Mostly at feeding time. Both bites I described are feeding bites. Have fun! Yeah, I've handled snakes since I was about five years old. I'm 61 now. Your western hognose must be a completely different type of snake. The ones around here are totally harmless.... really. They won't bite a human. They play dead. They make closed mouth strikes as a faking tactic. Here is a video of how the Eastern Hognose acts when threatened. Notice the footage after the 2 minute mark where he is sticking his finger in the snakes mouth? This is typical behavior of the snakes in my area. I am not worried at all about the local hognose population. Nope. No different. They will bite in feeding response. It has to be a feeding response. How many hognose of any variety have you kept and fed? I have a few thousand snake years of doing so. That is many hundreds of snakes for well over ten years. Your footage is of a wild snake. Common for all Heterodon. I was only offering caution. Not fear mongering. You are correct they are not significantly dangerous. Just be careful. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 21:49:58 GMT -5
OK.
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Post by indiana on May 4, 2016 9:58:58 GMT -5
Neat unakite, one of my faves.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 15:14:09 GMT -5
Everyone that knew me when I was young still teases me about the fox snake that got loose in or house walls. My mom almost had a heart attack when it came slithering out of the open wall socket. One time I had a ringneck snake give delivery to probably 30 babies. That was my best snake moment. Got pics of that snake? Ringnecks max out at 30" and lay eggs. animaldiversity.org/accounts/Diadophis_punctatus/ |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 17:45:41 GMT -5
Sweet! A kid hatching snake eggs in the 1960's is solid. Zoos had trouble then. Good for you! i love that. Professsionals can learn from smart kids for sure.
I was sure you had a garter snake. Ringnecks are better. Ours here eat salamanders. What do yours eat?
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 18:48:32 GMT -5
My favorite gopher snake spot as a child, is a shakeys pizza now... 8-(
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 19:49:05 GMT -5
Fortunately, my favorite horned lizard spot, is, well, still my favorite horned lizard spot!
What I really need is a good bullfrog spot. Season is here and I am hungry!
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 19:57:47 GMT -5
Fortunately, my favorite horned lizard spot, is, well, still my favorite horned lizard spot! What I really need is a good bullfrog spot. Season is here and I am hungry! Man, I haven't had frog legs since I was a kid. There's 74 lakes full of them here in my county. My golf course changed the bank drom mud to rocks. Much harder to get them. A few years ago, i would light them up by headlamp, walk carefully up, and grab them by the body. My best night was 25. Plenty for a party of six. I think I will go there tonight. Warm, but storm comung. Might be solid. Need an ice pick. |
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It's always fun to throw something like that in on a trip report. My wife would probably disagree on that one.
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