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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 12:00:50 GMT -5
I can't find a solid price per carat/price per gram price for AA larimar, can anyone help?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 13:09:41 GMT -5
Solid price?
Go to the Dominican Republic.
That is a hard one. Soft stone, hard market.
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Post by metalsmith on May 13, 2016 13:25:24 GMT -5
Size each Number Quality: AAAAA+ .... A Slab / rough / cabbed Treated (ew!) Ebay has an answer for all considerations: www.ebay.com/sch/Larimar-Pectolite/181090/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=larimar&_sop=15See price+shipping lowest first then price+shipping highest first Try to pick out the ones that are bogus (clue: they're less likely to be high quality stones in the price+shipping lowest first and more likely to be low quality stones in the highest price bracket, just in case any suckers come along). Avoid the heated / treated. That's the stuff that looks patchy. If you buy a cab, treat it with care. If you're buying rough, then be prepared to lose some material whilst you learn its ways. Grind with a fine wheel / disk. I've shattered a couple but still not learned its ways.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 15:30:36 GMT -5
Size each Number Quality: AAAAA+ .... A Slab / rough / cabbed Treated (ew!) Ebay has an answer for all considerations: www.ebay.com/sch/Larimar-Pectolite/181090/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=larimar&_sop=15See price+shipping lowest first then price+shipping highest first Try to pick out the ones that are bogus (clue: they're less likely to be high quality stones in the price+shipping lowest first and more likely to be low quality stones in the highest price bracket, just in case any suckers come along). Avoid the heated / treated. That's the stuff that looks patchy. If you buy a cab, treat it with care. If you're buying rough, then be prepared to lose some material whilst you learn its ways. Grind with a fine wheel / disk. I've shattered a couple but still not learned its ways. LOL. I'd buy that 23 ct. larimar for a buck. But, the highest price showed 1,075 g. (5,375 ct.) of copious amounts of larimar from the Dominican Republic for $4,000. That come out to about $.74 a carat. Meaning my 4.4-carat larimar cab (that I bought, NOT made) is only $3.26 by that number. Rip. I'm taking some other numbers that larimar is selling at on eBay and I'll get an estimated "per carat" value.
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Post by metalsmith on May 13, 2016 15:47:26 GMT -5
Size each Number Quality: AAAAA+ .... A Slab / rough / cabbed Treated (ew!) Ebay has an answer for all considerations: www.ebay.com/sch/Larimar-Pectolite/181090/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=larimar&_sop=15See price+shipping lowest first then price+shipping highest first Try to pick out the ones that are bogus (clue: they're less likely to be high quality stones in the price+shipping lowest first and more likely to be low quality stones in the highest price bracket, just in case any suckers come along). Avoid the heated / treated. That's the stuff that looks patchy. If you buy a cab, treat it with care. If you're buying rough, then be prepared to lose some material whilst you learn its ways. Grind with a fine wheel / disk. I've shattered a couple but still not learned its ways. LOL. I'd buy that 23 ct. larimar for a buck. But, the highest price showed 1,075 g. (5,375 ct.) of copious amounts of larimar from the Dominican Republic for $4,000. That come out to about $.74 a carat. Meaning my 4.4-carat larimar cab (that I bought, NOT made) is only $6 by that number. Rip. I'm taking some other numbers that larimar is selling at on eBay and I'll get an estimated "per carat" value. Like most things, the more you buy the cheaper it is per unit, assuming comparability everywhere else. Value depends not only on what you paid for it, the time & trouble you go through to move it from A to B in terms of improving it and the rarity. Not only how you value it, but also others. If you're selling, then particularly others, but if you value it more, keep it.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 15:52:16 GMT -5
LOL. I'd buy that 23 ct. larimar for a buck. But, the highest price showed 1,075 g. (5,375 ct.) of copious amounts of larimar from the Dominican Republic for $4,000. That come out to about $.74 a carat. Meaning my 4.4-carat larimar cab (that I bought, NOT made) is only $3.26 by that number. Rip. I'm taking some other numbers that larimar is selling at on eBay and I'll get an estimated "per carat" value. I took the 4 most expensive, high-quality lots on eBay and averaged them, and got $1.85/carat. ($.37/gram) Then, I took the 4 least expensive, pure, low quality lots (which means, light blue and no "copper larimar") on eBay and averaged them, and got $1.28/carat. ($.26/gram) So my larimar's about $1.40/carat if we're using estimation and averages, so $6.16. Meh.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 15:54:36 GMT -5
Dont larimar cabs routinely sell for $25-50?
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Post by metalsmith on May 13, 2016 16:12:52 GMT -5
LOL. I'd buy that 23 ct. larimar for a buck. But, the highest price showed 1,075 g. (5,375 ct.) of copious amounts of larimar from the Dominican Republic for $4,000. That come out to about $.74 a carat. Meaning my 4.4-carat larimar cab (that I bought, NOT made) is only $3.26 by that number. Rip. I'm taking some other numbers that larimar is selling at on eBay and I'll get an estimated "per carat" value. I took the 4 most expensive, high-quality lots on eBay and averaged them, and got $1.85/carat. ($.37/gram) Then, I took the 4 least expensive, pure, low quality lots (which means, light blue and no "copper larimar") on eBay and averaged them, and got $1.28/carat. ($.26/gram) So my larimar's about $1.40/carat if we're using estimation and averages, so $6.16. Meh. I think you may have carats and grams the wrong way around. There are 5 carats to a gram therefore $/g should be bigger than $/ct.
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Post by metalsmith on May 13, 2016 16:21:25 GMT -5
Dont larimar cabs routinely sell for $25-50? Most of the 4 C's (of diamond grading: colour, cut, clarity and carat (weight)) apply to other stones. As you'll know, big diamonds are generally rarer than little ones, so the price for a diamond twice as big (assuming everything else is constant) generally triples the price. Except really big diamonds which cost even more. I don't think clarity applies to opaque stones, but take a look at ebay and you'll see different shadowing / marks that vary between unacceptable and attractive, including the characteristic 'flower' (marketing ploy). You need to price like with like stones as you would for anything else. You don't go to a real-estate (UK: estate agent's) and determind the average price of a house? You'd bracket similar properties and then consider those comparable. The same with stones; and double check you don't need to get 1.5 tonnes delivered from China to achieve the $/carat you're looking for. Unless you want 1.5 tonnes... BTW, the use of carats for coloured stones is a little misleading, essentially for value, look for stones with a bigger surface area / carat.
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Post by gemfeller on May 13, 2016 18:37:57 GMT -5
[quote author=" metalsmith " source="/post/863985/thread" timestamp="1463174485 BTW, the use of carats for coloured stones is a little misleading, essentially for value, look for stones with a bigger surface area / carat.[/quote] Would you expand on that thought a little? I agree it's perhaps innocently misleading to compare a diamond's carat weight (S.G. 3.52) to an opal (S.G. approx. 2.15) or corundum aka sapphire and ruby (S.G. 3.95). But your comment would seem to suggest that low SG. stones have greater value than those with high S.G. because they have greater surface area. Given identical cuts and weights, opals will ALWAYS have greater surface area than diamonds. And sapphires will ALWAYS have less surface area than diamonds. It's a matter of physics. The value of those stones depends on many other factors.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 19:02:46 GMT -5
I took the 4 most expensive, high-quality lots on eBay and averaged them, and got $1.85/carat. ($.37/gram) Then, I took the 4 least expensive, pure, low quality lots (which means, light blue and no "copper larimar") on eBay and averaged them, and got $1.28/carat. ($.26/gram) So my larimar's about $1.40/carat if we're using estimation and averages, so $6.16. Meh. I think you may have carats and grams the wrong way around. There are 5 carats to a gram therefore $/g should be bigger than $/ct. My bad, you're right. Lol
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Post by metalsmith on May 13, 2016 23:31:17 GMT -5
[quote author=" metalsmith " source="/post/863985/thread" timestamp="1463174485 BTW, the use of carats for coloured stones is a little misleading, essentially for value, look for stones with a bigger surface area / carat. Would you expand on that thought a little? I agree it's perhaps innocently misleading to compare a diamond's carat weight (S.G. 3.52) to an opal (S.G. approx. 2.15) or corundum aka sapphire and ruby (S.G. 3.95). But your comment would seem to suggest that low SG. stones have greater value than those with high S.G. because they have greater surface area. Given identical cuts and weights, opals will ALWAYS have greater surface area than diamonds. And sapphires will ALWAYS have less surface area than diamonds. It's a matter of physics. The value of those stones depends on many other factors. [/quote] Hi Gemfeller, carat weights and cut are important for diamond because the two go hand in hand, or should. They are inter-dependent because of the need for the cut to have sufficient depth, for internal light refraction to work to return the light back to the table, giving the stone its brilliance. See the section on ' Rollover diamond components for more detail' - and see the entry for Pavilion. For coloured stones, this return of light is sometimes less important and this increases with the stone's opacity. For many of the stones we're dealing with in RTH, the surface area is the effective size since the third dimension is encapsulated in a bezel, for example, a 3mm thick larimar of length 20 x 10mm should be more valuable than 6mm thick, 10 x 10, all other things being equal - it gives more 'bang for your buck'. There are exceptions to this, the highly brilliant, translucent coloured stones, such as sphene or tsavorite or zircon. Yes, other things are important in valuation, too, not least marketability, probably over and above rarity.
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Post by rockjunquie on May 14, 2016 13:47:21 GMT -5
Can't rule out just good ol' eye appeal. The better it looks, the more it costs. Specifically in relation to cabbed stones.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2016 14:12:18 GMT -5
Can't rule out just good ol' eye appeal. The better it looks, the more it costs. Specifically in relation to cabbed stones. Eye appeal? Well, it's 4.4 carats. Here you go. UGH. Be right back while I figure out how to insert a picture. EDIT: INSERT IMAGE. URL TYPED IN. WHY DOES IT NOT SHOW UP???
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Post by rockjunquie on May 14, 2016 14:19:01 GMT -5
Can't rule out just good ol' eye appeal. The better it looks, the more it costs. Specifically in relation to cabbed stones. Eye appeal? Well, it's 4.4 carats. Here you go. UGH. Be right back while I figure out how to insert a picture. EDIT: INSERT IMAGE. URL TYPED IN. WHY DOES IT NOT SHOW UP??? You have to host images somewhere and post link to it. The forum doesn't support photo storage.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2016 14:20:22 GMT -5
Fine. It's blurry but considering my piece-of-crap iPod, it's the best you'll get. It's a bit bluer in person, but the light-blue you see in that is kinda accurate. pic.twitter.com/1FcaLXtg59
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Post by rockjunquie on May 14, 2016 14:23:59 GMT -5
Fine. It's blurry but considering my piece-of-crap iPod, it's the best you'll get. It's a bit bluer in person, but the light-blue you see in that is kinda accurate. pic.twitter.com/1FcaLXtg59Here are some instructions for posting Hope the link works! The stone has nice color, but I can't tell the pattern. Pattern will affect price, too. It's pretty small, too.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2016 14:25:43 GMT -5
The instructions don't help; I've tried. What I'm trying to do is make the pic show up in the text, and not the link.
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Post by gemfeller on May 14, 2016 14:27:41 GMT -5
Metalsmith,
Okay. I ...think... I understand what you have in mind if you're differentiating between faceted gems and cabochons re: surface area.
Having studied gemology and faceted a few hundred colored gems, I have a pretty clear understanding of the roles pavilion slope, critical angle, color and saturation, varying refractive indices etc. play in light return from various faceted gems. I strongly disagree that carat weight should be reserved for diamonds only however. The use of the carob seed, from which the word "carat" is derived, as a standard of gem weight goes back to antiquity. It was in use for colored gems well before the first diamonds from India made their way along the Silk Road to Rome and other points around the Mediterranean. It's standard practice for colored gem rough to be sold by the kilo or gram as rough material, and by the carat in polished goods. Varying S.G. should not be a problem as long as consumers understand that a pound of lead has much less surface area than a pound of feathers.
There are plenty of high R.I. colored gems for which light return is very important. Both rutile and anatase score higher than diamond. Sphalerite is right up there at 2.37, as are the sphene and high zircon you mentioned. And don't forget andradite garnet (var. demantoid) which is about the same R.I. as medium zircon but displays an awesome .057 dispersion (fire), higher than diamond. That's why it was named "demant" which means "diamond" in old German. Orange spessartite garnet is 1.81 R.I., same as low zircon, and it shows amazing brilliance when properly cut. In fact maximizing light return is very important in nearly all transparent gems of light hue and saturation. Even "lowly" labradorite feldspar (R.I. 1.559-1.568) can put on quite a light show when properly-cut. I just sold a gorgeous aquamarine beryl (R.I. 1.577-1.583) that has simply dazzling brilliance.
I agree that sometimes color is more important in some colored gems than light return. Emerald, ruby, blue sapphire and many others can fall into that category. But cutting for maximum brilliance is always preferable.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2016 14:28:41 GMT -5
Metalsmith, Okay. I ...think... I understand what you have in mind if you're differentiating between faceted gems and cabochons re: surface area. Having studied gemology and faceted a few hundred colored gems, I have a pretty clear understanding of the roles pavilion slope, critical angle, color and saturation, varying refractive indices etc. play in light return from various faceted gems. I strongly disagree that carat weight should be reserved for diamonds only however. The use of the carob seed, from which the word "carat" is derived, as a standard of gem weight goes back to antiquity. It was in use for colored gems well before the first diamonds from India made their way along the Silk Road to Rome and other points around the Mediterranean. It's standard practice for colored gem rough to be sold by the kilo or gram as rough material, and by the carat in polished goods. Varying S.G. should not be a problem as long as consumers understand that a pound of lead has much less surface area than a pound of feathers. There are plenty of high R.I. colored gems for which light return is very important. Both rutile and anatase score higher than diamond. Sphalerite is right up there at 2.37, as are the sphene and high zircon you mentioned. And don't forget andradite garnet (var. demantoid) which is about the same R.I. as medium zircon but displays an awesome .057 dispersion (fire), higher than diamond. That's why it was named "demant" which means "diamond" in old German. Orange spessartite garnet is 1.81 R.I., same as low zircon, and it shows amazing brilliance when properly cut. In fact maximizing light return is very important in nearly all transparent gems of light hue and saturation. Even "lowly" labradorite feldspar (R.I. 1.559-1.568) can put on quite a light show when properly-cut. I just sold a gorgeous aquamarine beryl (R.I. 1.577-1.583) that has simply dazzling brilliance. I agree that sometimes color is more important in some colored gems than light return. Emerald, ruby, blue sapphire and many others can fall into that category. But cutting for maximum brilliance is always preferable. Ha! 1,337 posts!
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