unclesoska
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All those jade boulders tossed in search of gold!
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Post by unclesoska on May 21, 2016 23:24:26 GMT -5
Ya know I had a mining buddy for awhile that would find rocks just like these and spray paint them gold, just to leave in some likely spot that maybe a greenhorn would stumble across. He's an ornery cuss, God love 'em.
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Post by vegasjames on May 22, 2016 0:42:49 GMT -5
Does not look like a meteorite. If it were for one thing it should have a rusty look to it from being out there so long and oxidizing unless cleaned up. Even at that too rough of a surface. Platinum is noble. No rust. But meteorites are not made from platinum.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2016 8:20:29 GMT -5
Platinum is noble. No rust. But meteorites are not made from platinum. Why not? Why can't there be every element present in exploding stars be found tripping around the universe?
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Post by orrum on May 22, 2016 8:51:23 GMT -5
Prospector in Az. that I was friends with would find gold that didn't look right in Colorado and he would melt it all into ingots. Shaped like Hershey kisses. He passed away last year and his family had his gold claim assayed, 3.6 ounces to the ton, not worth crushing etc. While At It They had one of the ingots checked, it was silver, gold and platinum. Where ftom, who knows he had rocks piled everywhere from everywhere!
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charliework
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Post by charliework on May 22, 2016 13:37:30 GMT -5
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Post by gemfeller on May 22, 2016 15:19:46 GMT -5
Prospector in Az. that I was friends with would find gold that didn't look right in Colorado and he would melt it all into ingots. Shaped like Hershey kisses. He passed away last year and his family had his gold claim assayed, 3.6 ounces to the ton, not worth crushing etc. While At It They had one of the ingots checked, it was silver, gold and platinum. Where ftom, who knows he had rocks piled everywhere from everywhere! If I found a gold claim that would yield $4,514 a ton (current spot price @3.6 oz.) I think I'd definitely consider it worth working! Either something got lost in the "translation" or there were other unexplained problems with the deposit. That's a very high yield.
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Post by Sabre52 on May 22, 2016 18:52:12 GMT -5
Yup, 3.6 oz per ton is rich. Maybe misplace decimal point or maybe 3.6 dollars per ton....Mel
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Post by orrum on May 22, 2016 19:02:46 GMT -5
Hey gemfeller. It's gold inside the rock. A lot of gold is that way in Az. You have to dig the ore and haul it to a crusher. They charge a bunch to crush ore because you use a lot of water. Water is hideously expensive in the desert. Then you have to put up a recovery bond with the BLM and it's hideously expensive because it has to cover the cost of reclaiming the mess made mining. Then you have to build a road to the claim that csn handle massive tonnage hauled on it in all types of weather and worse yet maintain the road. Then youvare doing hard rock mining that requires enormously expensive dozers, trackhoes, and explosives. The area around Quartzsite and most of southern Az is covered with claims that are not financially profitable to mine. If you are situated close to a very good road most folks figure 5 or more ounces per ton is breakeven. Remember you are not going to get market ptice. You have to pay someone for getting the gold out which uses a dangerous cyanide etc method that must be cleaned up after the fact. Most hard rock mining in that area has very little viable gold. It's small and needs chemical recovery and separation. I will be out there in Quartzsite and Wickenburg area this einter. Get up with me and I will sell you a few locations with gold that are not clsimed. You can pan them and see the gold! If only finding gold was the real ptoblem, the stuff is everywhere out there! LOL
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Post by gemfeller on May 22, 2016 20:52:37 GMT -5
Orrum, that's the part that was "lost in the translation." The huge mines around Elko, NV make the state America's largest gold producer on yields sometimes far less than 1 oz. per ton but they're mostly run by huge multinational companies with very deep pockets. They're able to make massive up-front investments. But the points you make about hard-rock mining, mine location, the bureaucratic costs etc. make sense. The Elko operations are mostly open pit mines that depend on the volume of dirt moved to reach a profitable return. They buy cyanide by the trainload and water is reasonably available. Hard rock is different as I well know, having seen quartz gold deposits in remote areas that would not be worth the investment to get the metal out.
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Post by orrum on May 22, 2016 21:15:39 GMT -5
It's still fun to find the little flecks of gold tho Gemfeller! LOL When I pan I still want a nugget! Just one please... Yea those guys on TV in Alaska go for tiny amounts per ton but it's loose not inside the rock. It makes a purty cab when the gold shows too, pyrite is nice to in a can.
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Post by quartz on May 22, 2016 23:09:18 GMT -5
A co-worker asked if we ever found gold, I said sure. "Could I maybe see it", I said sure. First thing I handed him was a magnifying glass so he could get a good look. Many don't realize the stuff is everywhere, just in very small quantities.
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Post by orrum on May 22, 2016 23:32:02 GMT -5
X2 Quartz! LOL
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Post by vegasjames on May 23, 2016 2:34:24 GMT -5
But meteorites are not made from platinum. Why not? Why can't there be every element present in exploding stars be found tripping around the universe? There may be space material containing or made up of platinum. But no meteorites (meteors that have reached Earth) have even been found made of platinum. The metal ones are iron-nickle. And they tend to have more smooth surfaces in most cases since rough edges get ablated off.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 5:19:01 GMT -5
Why not? Why can't there be every element present in exploding stars be found tripping around the universe? There may be space material containing or made up of platinum. But no meteorites (meteors that have reached Earth) have even been found made of platinum. The metal ones are iron-nickle. And they tend to have more smooth surfaces in most cases since rough edges get ablated off. I think it more likely lazy scientists target the low hangimg fruit. More common and easily identified iron meteorites being the main focus of space debris 'experts '. In support of this theory, I offer evidence that a possible platinum meteorite was dismissed out of hand without thought or testing. How would one prove my theory? Assuming I am right, what would a platinum meteorite look like? Lastly, I suggest that all dense materials present on this planet 4+ billion years ago when the earth was formed have had ample time to sink to the core. That all surface found high density matter is new. Not just iron. I challenge you to seriously consider these thoughts. I learned them from 1dave. They make perfect sense to me. Of all people, I would expect you to dismiss dogma first. I admit, I offer no proof. Just ideas.
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Post by broseph82 on May 23, 2016 16:02:18 GMT -5
@shotgunner just ask glennz01 He's a professional platinum miner
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Post by glennz01 on May 23, 2016 17:47:23 GMT -5
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Post by vegasjames on May 23, 2016 19:32:19 GMT -5
There may be space material containing or made up of platinum. But no meteorites (meteors that have reached Earth) have even been found made of platinum. The metal ones are iron-nickle. And they tend to have more smooth surfaces in most cases since rough edges get ablated off. I think it more likely lazy scientists target the low hangimg fruit. More common and easily identified iron meteorites being the main focus of space debris 'experts '. In support of this theory, I offer evidence that a possible platinum meteorite was dismissed out of hand without thought or testing. How would one prove my theory? Assuming I am right, what would a platinum meteorite look like? Lastly, I suggest that all dense materials present on this planet 4+ billion years ago when the earth was formed have had ample time to sink to the core. That all surface found high density matter is new. Not just iron. I challenge you to seriously consider these thoughts. I learned them from 1dave . They make perfect sense to me. Of all people, I would expect you to dismiss dogma first. I admit, I offer no proof. Just ideas. It is still a hypothesis until evidence is presented to make it a theory. So addressing this hypothesis I see several flaws. First of all coming through the atmosphere this would ablate off any rougher edges and could have other characteristics such as flow lines. Secondly, not all heavy material would necessarily sunk to the core as theorized. This could only occur if the Earth was still molten magma, but in which case the bubbling could push stuff upward. Also keep in mind that sinking would require a greater density than the magma. What if the increasing pressure on the magma further down increased the density as so heavier materials did not sink? Instead as things cooled the material would have been trapped in upper layers, which were then thrust up by faults. Later weathering out to form placer deposits. And what about volcanic activity also bringing up materials from deep in the Earth? And there are new materials being formed from radioactive decay. There is one meteorite that would be an example of this. It is an enstanite (magnesium mineral) that was formed from the radioactive decay of aluminum 26. I do agree that scientists often take the easy way out. I have run in to this multiple times dealing with meteorites. And I brought up a very similar argument on the meteorite boards one time pointing out that we don't really know how rare lunar meteorites are since their make up if virtually identical to some terrestrial rocks and therefore scientists will not even test a potential lunar meteorite unless it has a fusion crust on it. So we could be walking by hundreds of lunar meteorites and not even know it. The idiot responded with why does everyone think their rocks are some rare meteorite when I was not even talking about any specific rock.
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Post by vegasjames on May 23, 2016 22:58:10 GMT -5
There may be space material containing or made up of platinum. But no meteorites (meteors that have reached Earth) have even been found made of platinum. The metal ones are iron-nickle. And they tend to have more smooth surfaces in most cases since rough edges get ablated off. I think it more likely lazy scientists target the low hangimg fruit. More common and easily identified iron meteorites being the main focus of space debris 'experts '. In support of this theory, I offer evidence that a possible platinum meteorite was dismissed out of hand without thought or testing. How would one prove my theory? Assuming I am right, what would a platinum meteorite look like? Lastly, I suggest that all dense materials present on this planet 4+ billion years ago when the earth was formed have had ample time to sink to the core. That all surface found high density matter is new. Not just iron. I challenge you to seriously consider these thoughts. I learned them from 1dave . They make perfect sense to me. Of all people, I would expect you to dismiss dogma first. I admit, I offer no proof. Just ideas. Here you go Scott. This is in line with your hypothesis. www.sciencealert.com/astronomers-just-discovered-a-rare-dwarf-galaxy-is-loaded-with-precious-elements
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 23:11:59 GMT -5
I think it more likely lazy scientists target the low hangimg fruit. More common and easily identified iron meteorites being the main focus of space debris 'experts '.@ In support of this theory, I offer evidence that a possible platinum meteorite was dismissed out of hand without thought or testing. How would one prove my theory? Assuming I am right, what would a platinum meteorite look like? Lastly, I suggest that all dense materials present on this planet 4+ billion years ago when the earth was formed have had ample time to sink to the core. That all surface found high density matter is new. Not just iron. I challenge you to seriously consider these thoughts. I learned them from 1dave . They make perfect sense to me. Of all people, I would expect you to dismiss dogma first. I admit, I offer no proof. Just ideas. Here you go Scott. This is in line with your hypothesis. www.sciencealert.com/astronomers-just-discovered-a-rare-dwarf-galaxy-is-loaded-with-precious-elementsNice link, thanks! That gets specific about the formation of larger atoms. Science has known (believed?) that in general this was the case for along time. The idea isnt mine. Im just expanding awareness. I learned it from 1dave . The point is, it makes absolutely zero sense that the only recently sourced space material to be found on earth is iron-nickel. The heavier harder to form elements are obviously more rare. I am sure that if a platinum meteorite landed in your view (super rare!) that you would be 100% unable to convince conventional scientists of its origin. Without a corraborating witness' that is. If I was there they would say we conspired, and if we had three of us they would claim 'mass hysteria'.... Lol I'd like to offer that the Mogollon rim of arizona and the large collection of copper deposits in the area form a rough crater shape and are evidence of a large copper meteorite strike.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2016 0:13:42 GMT -5
vegasjamesYou mentioned various characters for defining a meteorite. things like ablation, flow lines, a 'crust' formed during atmospheric entry.... These were formulated using iron meteorites. These may or may not be universal rules. As in your moon rock scenario..... Platinum has a very high melting point. Flow lines may or may not form. How hot does a heavy metallic meteorite get on entry? Various heavy metal meteorites will have various components. Thusly the characters of these potential meteorites will vary...... Oxidation may or may not be present, based on the elemental conponents and their chemistries. In the case of a tungsten metal entry, I sincerely dought it would change much at all during entry. 4500f melting point....... Platinum is 3215f
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