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Post by rockpickerforever on Jun 3, 2016 18:19:53 GMT -5
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WTF??!?! California Department of Public Recreation is up to something....
Just heard about this today, received a link to East County Magazine online.
Here is a map of all the affected locations in California. www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=862
For more info:
www.eastcountymagazine.org/ca-parks-wantsto-ban-hiking-or-climbing-trails-june-6-deadline-comment
The public has until Monday (YES, THIS MONDAY!!) for comment. You can snail mail your comments to the address above, but due impossibly close deadline, I don't know that they would be received in time.
OR, Fax or email -
Any interested person, or his or her authorized representative, may submit written comments relevant to the proposed regulatory action to DPR. Comments may also be submitted by facsimile (FAX) at (916) 324-0301 or by email to trails@parks.ca.gov. They do not want to make it easy for us to comment. Otherwise, they would have a website where we could easily leave a comment. Get Involved! SEND YOUR COMMENT NOW!!!!! WHY ARE THE LAWMAKERS DOING THIS?? ASK YOURSELF, WHAT IS THEIR MOTIVE?
Almost enough to make a person want to leave Commiefornia... What is next?
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Post by Sabre52 on Jun 3, 2016 18:49:55 GMT -5
Wow,Commiefornia just keeps getting better and better. Sounds like another plot to gather more revenue by writing tickets for violating stupid rules. More tickets= more revenue=more rangers= more tickets= more fricking gubment interference in our lives. It's all about gubment eventually controlling every aspect of our lives and constantly increasing the size of gubment in order to do so.....Mel
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 22:06:58 GMT -5
Marshall Law. Never leave your home.
Doing so is in national interest, you are harming the 'environment'. The environment is for everyone. You cannot use it, so it will stay pristine or will return to pristine order. That way everyone can enjoy it equally.
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Post by socalagatehound on Jun 4, 2016 0:05:46 GMT -5
Thanks Jean! Will send!!!
I would almost believe that the folks who propose these things have never left their living rooms. Or maybe their bathrooms... Just a bunch of @%$#!!!
Craig
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Post by adam on Jun 4, 2016 5:17:54 GMT -5
Not gonna happen. No way, no way. Unreal.
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Post by metalsmith on Jun 4, 2016 12:43:16 GMT -5
Marshall Law. Never leave your home. Doing so is in national interest, you are harming the 'environment'. The environment is for everyone. You cannot use it, so it will stay pristine or will return to pristine order. That way everyone can enjoy it equally. On the TV...
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Post by metalsmith on Jun 4, 2016 13:30:14 GMT -5
WTF??!?! California Department of Public Recreation is up to something....
Just heard about this today, received a link to East County Magazine online. Something I'm passionate about...international objection sent: To whom it may concern, I am writing to object to the proposed prohibition. Whilst I recognise the need to protect sensitive natural and cultural resources, I am concerned at the wider loss of freedom to US citizens. Open access to natural spaces offers one thing that board-walks and marked trails (that must be strictly kept to) cannot - the sense of freedom. I consider this to be an essential part of a healthy society. 'Freedom' is at the heart of the US foundation story, and subsequently baked into the nation's self-identity. This action would erode this, one of the very root American ways. One other thing that should be preserved is the freedom of access. The prohibition would effectively remove this. The UK has recently gone in completely the opposite direction, creating Open Access Land www.gov.uk/right-of-way-open-access-land/use-your-right-to-roam after the Kinder Trespass of 1932. Of course this does not remove the rights of landowners; it doesn't remove the responsibility of those entering that land. Many of the natural and cultural resources are already protected by laws. Passing more laws that cannot possibly be policed sustainably is effectively pointless. Of course there are examples of the downside of leaving trails, some more significant (and one recent example) than others. However, I consider it is everyone's right to be able to roam on land; learn how to navigate off-trail and part of this is almost a necessity, to get lost and learn how to recover from getting lost. It is important cultural heritage to learn how land evolves and is eroded; the lives amongst the landforms; learn to walk without trace, learn to trace where others (including wildlife) have walked. Imagine for a moment a world where every photograph, every other painting is taken from the fourth bend of trail 23: creativity is stifled. Consider the world as it is, with the freedom to step off the path: myriad points of observation: infinite views. Yes, there is a need for different interests to co-exist. This can be achieved through education and establishing and culturing respect for different interests. Consider someone intent on damaging our heritage at the cost of breaking a law? Would they really be deterred by a law restricting the route? Imagine, if one should trip and fall / step off the path: legislatively they would be criminalised. One presumes there are insufficient resources to fence the paths to prevent such trip-hazards. Trails reduce erosion, but so also does diffusing the erosional effect. I would encourage trails to be formed and discourage stepping from them. I have followed many formal trails, respecting the sensitive wildlife, just a foot's width away. I have walked many trails where erosion controls have been implemented and stayed on the stones, though my knees have asked for softer ground. I have brought up my children in the same way. I've also brought them up to leave the trail head and step into wilderness, cognisant of the risks and benefits (many of each) of doing so. So many times we have come down off the mountain with more litter than we took. This land does not need more laws. If it needs greater respect, then target your resources to education. Seed, nurture and encourage respect and your proposed new laws will echo upon empty need like the canyons.
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Post by Sabre52 on Jun 4, 2016 17:13:12 GMT -5
The old " rats in a cage" idea. Folks wonder why everyone is always shootin each other. In lab experiments, the more rats you crowd into a cage the more violent interactions you'll see. Man needs open spaces too, and access to such spaces. Wandering a bit in the wild is good for the soul and enhances your feeling of freedom. Gulldanged government controllers are trying to limit our access to the wild more and more and confine the human "rats" into a cage which grows ever smaller as our numbers grow ever larger. The result is more and more violent interaction as folks with borderline personalities have no where to go to escape pressure from the human masses and get a little quiet. Modern youngsters have, to a great extent, been brought up in confinement like some kind of human zoo animal. All them have their little rooms full of video games and TV's where they can pretend to have a life that's exciting, shootin make believe monsters and such. I expect many of them don't even notice the loss of freedom. But those of us who are old farts remember when the deserts and mountains were wild and free. Camp most anywhere, rockhound most anywhere, Hell I used to walk out my back gate in the San Francisco Bay area and go pheasant hunting. Most every place I used to go rockhound all the time on the Commiefornia Desert ( It was California back then)has now been closed. Only the government rangers get to go out there and hunt and drive and rockhound. The place I used to tent camp in Yosemite is now nice apartments for rangers and all one way roads. You need reservations for the Grand Canyon and need to tour by gulldaged bus with smelly Europeans. Peee Ewww! Board walks for Yellowstone etc. And don't forget the tolls folks. Fees to go into parks, fees to camp in little blocked out spots, fees to launch your dang boat, fees to buy firewood. Everywhere you go someone has their hand out to pay for more dang rangers and boardwalks and rules.
Y'all seen the old movie Soylent Green? A young Charlton Heston is watching an old Edward Robinson be euthanized by the government before his body would be ground up to manufacture soylent green to feed other humans. While being killed, Robinson gets to watch a film of how the earth used to be with wild open places, critters, trees. flowers etc. The young Heston finds himself sobbing cause he had no idea what man had lost because of course he was brought up in the rat cage and knew no other life. Well younguns, us oldsters know how it used to be and that's why we're pissed off. But for you, welcome to the first stage of the rat cage where only government aholes get to use your public lands until some friggin Pelosi or Feinstein takes your wilds and sells it to their buddies in big corporations for bribes to be used for wind farms, lumber, mines, solar, new federal prisons etc. And of course, those wilds which they do preserve are going to be so regulated and civilized, that they feel more like going to a movie theater or stadium ball game than going to the wild. Good example: Last time I went to New Mexico rockhounding I went into a national forest campground. My tent spot was a little boarded up square full of dirt. On either side humongous motorhomes the size of Greyhound busses pulled in with their gulldanged TV.s ,video games, Ac Units and loud generators. Did I feel wild and free and relaxed? Nope, I felt like hauling out my ax I brought for cutting up non existent firewood for the non existent fire pit and murdering those loud obnoxious high tech sumbitches next door...Mel
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2016 20:56:50 GMT -5
They fenced the ocean. They fenced the desert. Now we are prisoners in our own homes.
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Post by metalsmith on Jun 5, 2016 4:43:57 GMT -5
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Post by metalsmith on Jun 5, 2016 7:28:39 GMT -5
As an Englishman, do / should I consider myself a European? # Brexit
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Post by Sabre52 on Jun 5, 2016 11:20:20 GMT -5
*LOL* Nah, Brits are a bit more fastidious than the Germans and French on the bus tour or the Middle Easterners we encountered last time at Yellowstone. You know I'm around horses a lot and tend to get a bit dirty but some of them tour folks smelled like they had not bathed in a month. I kid you not, the stink coming off them would make your eyes water. Guess it's a cultural thing but man that did not make for a good impression of those folks at all. As an aside, someone should really tell those folks that putting on a gallon of strong cologne is not a cure for bad body odor. It really only makes things worse. *L*
Nope, did not submit it because here in Texas, we have few parks and I ain't ever going back to Commiefornia cause of their Draconian gun laws. Let folks who choose to remain in that stupid state deal with their own problems. They keep electing aholes over and over again. That's why I moved out of there.....Mel
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Post by metalsmith on Jun 5, 2016 11:42:00 GMT -5
*LOL* Nah, Brits are a bit more fastidious than the Germans and French on the bus tour or the Middle Easterners we encountered last time at Yellowstone. Let folks who choose to remain in that stupid state deal with their own problems. They keep electing aholes over and over again. That's why I moved out of there.....Mel Well I wasn't going to take offence anyhow. It's just that I understand its a really beautiful place. I've been into photography for around 40 years and tho I wouldn't normally pick up a book to a place I've not been, I bought California the Beautiful by Galen Rowell. I would like to get there one day. And whilst I'm happy to stick to a trail in a particularly sensitive environment, elsewhere, I'm always getting into bother with the Mrs for not keeping to a path. I tell her 'I am on a path: I make my own path'! I just love taking my kids for walks. They hate it. Within 5 minutes, they're off the beaten trail and running in the hills... just what I wanted them to do.
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Post by Sabre52 on Jun 5, 2016 17:23:56 GMT -5
You know, California is one of the most diverse and beautiful states. The weather at both our homes we had out there was really nice. Lots of folks out there are very nice too. However, the last few years we lived there the politics got worse and worse. All my favorite rock hound sites closed. Crime and traffic worse and worse, taxes higher, water shortages, power outages, fires all the time and the illegal problem totally out of control. The neighborhood I lived in in southern California used to be paradise. Homes in the half million dollar range and best weather in the world. Last few years, we had shootings, gangbangers, pit bulls, meth labs and my favorite, bicycle riding burglars riding through the neighborhood in broad daylight robbing folks' homes while they were at work. In short, Commiefornia went down hill fast under Democrat control. I'm an ardent shooter and now my friends out there report they are passing a pile of new anti second amendment gun laws that will make criminals out of honest citizens. And it was bad enough before that, that was one of my reasons for moving. So heck with Commiefornia, I'll happily live here in Texas where I'm free of them damn politicians and it still feels like America....Mel
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Post by rockpickerforever on Jun 5, 2016 18:35:31 GMT -5
Thanks Craig, Mel and everyone else. This whole thing stinks, it really pisses me off!
If I could get out of Commiefornia, I would. Don't see it happening soon, but maybe it'll happen sooner than I think? Here's another mind boggler. Do not watch this video if you have high blood pressure, I am not responsible for causing a heart attack.
What were they thinking?? I guess I need to get on the public dole, too, quit being responsible. I have never even been to Hawaii, for crying out loud!!
Jean
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Post by Sabre52 on Jun 5, 2016 19:30:04 GMT -5
Holy crap Jean! And I was mad because the welfare moms and illegal folks in front of me in line at Wally World are loading up on steaks and fancy packaged snack foods while I eat just regular ole food I pay for with money I actually earned. And then there was the time I had to get my flu shot at a clinic cause no one else had the shots. Huge line of illegals all getting shots for free. Came to me, they asked if I had insurance, I said yeah but the one I had at the time did not cover the clinic shot. I got charged $50 cash, the only white guy in line and the only one paying a cent. I suppose no one will ever go to jail for this vacation BS but they sure should....Mel
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Post by Mark K on Jun 5, 2016 21:12:16 GMT -5
Step one: make law restricting off trail travel.
Step two: designate only a very few trails as official.
Step three: begin closing down trails for -- reasons.
Step four: Close off all trails more than a couple hundred yards off of road.
Step five: Lease public lands to private interests, keeping it hush hush.
Step six: profit
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Post by adam on Jun 6, 2016 1:59:20 GMT -5
Imperial County seems like the worst place on Earth. Lived there about 3 months total. Always someone watching you, waiting to catch you off guard. Don't trust the tap water. Don't trust CA beef. Don't trust the weather. The land of broken dreams.
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Post by grayfingers on Jun 6, 2016 8:11:12 GMT -5
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