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Post by jamesp on Jun 6, 2016 15:36:47 GMT -5
wampidytoo Jim. Watching them work makes judgment much easier. Not easy to observe a man working without him knowing it. That works well.
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Post by kk on Jun 6, 2016 17:31:10 GMT -5
Air quality is a huge problem over here. They always tell us that smoking kills ( which is certainly true). But I think it's a convenient way of explaining away a lot of cancers and eventual deaths that are more likely to origin in airpolution. The fact that a lot of non-smokers die of the same maladies is simply ignored and deliberately buried under lots of statistics.
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Post by jamesp on Jun 6, 2016 18:10:47 GMT -5
Air quality is a huge problem over here. They always tell us that smoking kills ( which is certainly true). But I think it's a convenient way of explaining away a lot of cancers and eventual deaths that are more likely to origin in airpolution. The fact that a lot of non-smokers die of the same maladies is simply ignored and deliberately buried under lots of statistics. That Henan province has massive amounts of heavy manufacturing Kurt. Hovering over in Google Earth telling. The government must be over bearing or subsidizing industry. Such pollution seems to coincide most industrial bloomers.
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Post by wampidytoo on Jun 6, 2016 19:44:19 GMT -5
China's air pollution is circling the globe now and has been for a while. So much for clean burning coal and oil. We at least attempt to clean it up a bit but they are just getting started on the "shit, we are going to die early just like everyone else" clean up. And it is true for most of the country. I was living in a small city (3 million) with little industry and I carried a compass but still got lost a lot because I never could see the sun. It never got so bad that it blurred the tops of the tall buildings or cut visibility horizontally like you see in the videos from some areas of the country. Hong Kong was clear while I was there but only there for two nights.
The nay sayers on man made global warming (still pretty much on the fence) have not seen the amount of pollution a country like China pumps into the air. If it is not warming the planet it is killing a lot of people sooner than normal. Since the planet is over populated some will say that is a good thing but there again it is the poor who have no way of cleaning the air that are the ones to get hit the hardest. I can not see the elite in China spending their days and nights breathing that stuff. One on here seems to attribute the longevity of life now over the past being due to oil bringing an easier and better life but the pollution from it is cutting life shorter now. Science and medicine are to blame for people living too long and overpopulating the planet. Once science figures out a way of turning pollution into medicine China will be at the fore front again.
Whether you buy their steel or not James the steel will still be made. It will not change anything other than maybe your survival rate. Jim
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Post by jamesp on Jun 6, 2016 21:36:06 GMT -5
"China Unveils Massive Nuclear Power Program, to Open 110 Plants by 2030 Serious accidents said to be "unlikely"" China seems irresponsible with pollution. Air pollution one thing, irresponsible with nuclear power is a horse of a different color. Lots of concerns about China's Nuc program. I think they remain independent from world nuclear standards. They are quite dependent on oil from the Mideast. They want to utilize nuclear power for their manufacturing monster and become more independent of Mideast oil. Requiring a great amount of power. They seem willing to show little concern for humanity(Chernobyl/Russia). Oppressive government, etc. Population in high air pollution-govt. says it's OK or tough shit. Nangfang: thenanfang.com/china-operate-110-nuclear-power-plants-2030/
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Post by oregon on Jun 7, 2016 13:09:22 GMT -5
The nay sayers on man made global warming (still pretty much on the fence) have not seen the amount of pollution a country like China pumps into the air. If it is not warming the planet it is killing a lot of people sooner than normal. Yeah, I think it is also hard to comprehend because a lot of the pollutants are gases and not visible to the human eye. Average tank of gas is ~100 lbs, that in turn produces about 300lbs of CO2. Imagine if it was like horse poop - how deep the streets would be. Scaled volumes of the planet's water and air... Must be a lot of rocks out there!
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Post by wampidytoo on Jun 7, 2016 17:06:00 GMT -5
"China Unveils Massive Nuclear Power Program, to Open 110 Plants by 2030 Serious accidents said to be "unlikely"" China seems irresponsible with pollution. Air pollution one thing, irresponsible with nuclear power is a horse of a different color. Lots of concerns about China's Nuc program. I think they remain independent from world nuclear standards. They are quite dependent on oil from the Mideast. They want to utilize nuclear power for their manufacturing monster and become more independent of Mideast oil. Requiring a great amount of power. They seem willing to show little concern for humanity(Chernobyl/Russia). Oppressive government, etc. Population in high air pollution-govt. says it's OK or tough shit. Nangfang: thenanfang.com/china-operate-110-nuclear-power-plants-2030/A friend of mine there told me that it is foolish to buy an apartment (house to them) in any of the new building because by the time you get it paid off it is crumbling down around you. Building standards but nobody follows them and they cut all the corners they can. Classic example is all the school buildings that collapsed during the earth quake they had about seven years ago. Greedy die trying to get rich at a time like that because they have a short trial then shoot those responsible. Man was shot while I was there because he knew milk was tainted with PCBs but sent it out anyway. Not sure how many babies were sickened and died. Swift justice for those that are caught but most never do. Complaints buy the people pretty much go unanswered because the only people they have to complain to are the ones that are screwing them over. I think social media is starting to have a bit of an impact along with people jumping off of buildings for the cause. Quite a few sacrificing themselves for the good of the others. When several people jump off the top of a factory the higher ups start paying attention but for the most part it is like the police policing themselves. Like here the common people are good people for the most part but you really have to drive defensively and watch out for black cars that are in a position to pull out into the street. They are not going to look for anything smaller than a bus and will pull out even if you are almost right in front of them. People with a little money have the right of way and nobody stops when a traffic light turns red. The people with the green light have to keep inching into the intersection until they get the cross traffic blocked off then the same thing happens when the light changes again. Extreme fuster cluck but those people have had to fight for everything for so long they can not see an easier way. If you have a problem with people getting in your space DO NOT go to China. At the doctor's office the guy after me (my girl friend was talking to the doctor for me) was breathing in my ear. I had to push him back to get him off of me and it was obvious he was sick with a cold or flu. And it is this way just about every where other than the high end shopping malls. But if you like looking most of the women other than the peasants dress to the nines. Short dresses, high heels and wonder bras that can push up cleavage from almost nothing. Not sure how safe some of the food is but in the whole time I was there I only ate one thing that I did not like. Family get togethers for an eight or ten course meal (poor people that were raising a chicken in the bathroom) that was absolutely delicious. I should do a ten or twenty section trip report. For the most part it was a fascinating ten months. No traveling around to see the tourist stuff, just total immersion in one city. Had a scooter trip to the South China Sea with friends planned for spring but got kicked out of the country for a visa violation in March Jim
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Post by kk on Jun 7, 2016 17:47:20 GMT -5
Pretty much an accurate picture you are painting there, yet while we talk about China, I cant help but notice very similar things all over the first world too. China has done things in 30 years that the first world needed a hundred for, and a lot is driven by first world greed.
The government can turn a blind eye at every corner, simply because if they have to shut their doors to the outside-world, the demand for goods internally is still great enough to survive their 10 year plans. No-one looks, to their neighbors. The only concern is for their own immediate needs, and anyone who made policies is not expected to be around when they collapse.
Everyone likes to point at China these days, simply because they proved to be able to be better at greed than the ones who taught them (and continue to do so) in the first place.
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Post by jamesp on Jun 7, 2016 18:18:54 GMT -5
The China folks are a bit inscrutable. They may spend years on a carving. And spend as little as possible to manufacture or build something. Let's hope their nuclear reactors are better built than their dams: "As of last year, an average of 68 reservoir dams collapse every year in China. He said, "The extent of casualties and economic cost from a dam collapsing possibly surpasses that of a natural disaster like a tsunami or a strong earthquake, and is no less damaging than a local war." At present, China has 85,160 reservoirs. From 1954 to 2005, a total of 3,486 reservoir dams collapsed. Each year, many reservoirs experience flood damage. In 2004 alone, 7,286 reservoirs experienced flood damage and are in need of repair. " Source: www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x64070"In the world's record of disasters due to human technical failures, the 1975 collapse of China's Banqiao reservoir dam in Henan province ranked first, which is higher than the Chernobyl disaster in the former Soviet Union." Let's assume their batting average is not so good. Dam failures effect the country they are built in. Nuclear failures can effect areas external to the country they are built in.
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Post by wampidytoo on Jun 7, 2016 18:56:16 GMT -5
China had a pretty bad wreck on their fast rail train too that had a lot of people mad as hell.
The carvers are fantastic because they have been doing it for several thousand years but the people have no incentive or pride in putting up a building that lasts. Even if they did the higher ups are cutting the corners and the workers have to go along with it. If they would make the builders live in what they build things might change but from what I hear the ones that are making it are coming here to live.
Maybe after the election they will go back. haha Jim
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Post by jamesp on Jun 8, 2016 11:01:37 GMT -5
China had a pretty bad wreck on their fast rail train too that had a lot of people mad as hell. The carvers are fantastic because they have been doing it for several thousand years but the people have no incentive or pride in putting up a building that lasts. Even if they did the higher ups are cutting the corners and the workers have to go along with it. If they would make the builders live in what they build things might change but from what I hear the ones that are making it are coming here to live. Maybe after the election they will go back. haha Jim Some of their products are way top of the line. Others suck. Mysterious bunch. I buy a lot of do-dads for the farm through them on Ebay. Most of it is great stuff to get the job done. A carb and a brush trimmer gas cap in the past two weeks. Great quality, both of them.
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Post by wampidytoo on Jun 8, 2016 14:35:26 GMT -5
I should have included another thing about the people. Tough as nails and will work like an intelligent mule. I watched a guy carry water from the river with one of their shoulder boards with a bucket hanging under each end up a hill to water his little farm. Many people carry produce into the city the same way. Mini markets set up on a street until someone complains and the police make them move out and find another place.
Wally world is taking over in a lot of places forcing the little people out of business the same as they did here. I can not put people down that have to shop in their stores if they have no other choice but I will do without before going there. My one man crusade I guess. Jim
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