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Post by woodman on Jul 19, 2016 14:07:20 GMT -5
Found this real nice point on Saturday in Central Oregon. I really don't know the different types but I tink it is a leaf point that had been broken. Real fine workmanship for sure. It is 2 7/8" long.  |
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Post by Erich on Jul 19, 2016 14:35:40 GMT -5
WOW! Killer find. Agate Basin point perhaps?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2016 16:36:02 GMT -5
Found this real nice point on Saturday in Central Oregon. I really don't know the different types but I tink it is a leaf point that had been broken. Real fine workmanship for sure. It is 2 7/8" long. Is that a known type of agate? |
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Post by woodman on Jul 19, 2016 19:58:26 GMT -5
WOW! Killer find. Agate Basin point perhaps? Where would that be? |
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Post by woodman on Jul 19, 2016 19:59:22 GMT -5
Found this real nice point on Saturday in Central Oregon. I really don't know the different types but I tink it is a leaf point that had been broken. Real fine workmanship for sure. It is 2 7/8" long. Is that a known type of agate? I was hoping someone might have an idea. |
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Post by fernwood on Jul 19, 2016 21:08:12 GMT -5
That looks almost like one I had identified by a state geologist/Native expert. Mine was a spear point, not broken. Very old for a point. At that time they did not have back side ends for attaching.
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Post by fernwood on Jul 19, 2016 21:10:03 GMT -5
Mine was Aqua-Plano 7000-4500 BC era. Had to look and see for sure.
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Post by orrum on Jul 20, 2016 7:50:53 GMT -5
Doesn't look like its ancient.
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Post by orrum on Jul 20, 2016 7:51:47 GMT -5
Oops hit the wrong button. It's very well preserved.
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Post by Fossilman on Jul 20, 2016 9:19:47 GMT -5
Nice... Doesn't look like it's broken to me either... The agate is totally cool!!
SCORE!!!
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Post by woodman on Jul 20, 2016 15:28:34 GMT -5
i THOUGHT tHAT i WOULD ADD A FEW MORE PICTURES OF IT. It is 72 MM long, 22 MM wide, and 6 MM thick. On the side that was on the ground you can see the mineral deposits that were forming.    In the lst picture it is resting on a piece of Petrified wood from the same area. Hampton Butte, Oregon |
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Post by fernwood on Jul 20, 2016 22:34:59 GMT -5
Mine is a rose/orange quartz. Will try to post photo tomorrow. Very similar. Have a spear point and an arrowhead of the smae material that were found next to each other in the 1880's in NW Wisconsin.
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Post by jamesp on Jul 21, 2016 9:33:12 GMT -5
Tough call dating that one. Shape is rather basic. But likely archaic to paleo.
you found it so it is not fake, it does look fresh. and western agate can be very stable and not acquire a patina.
I would say early archaic to transitional paleo. But that is a long guess.
Look around for other artifacts. Most artifacts are found at campsites where other artifacts exist.
does the site you found it at look like a place you would like to pitch a tent at ?? Water close by ?
Look for more. You may find more and have an assemblage that would help greatly with aging it.
We would kill to find a point like that.
Yes, base could be snapped off. Hard to say. Agate basin sounds close to me too but I am easterner.
The workmanship is so good that I would guess the base snapped off. If so, the base would have helped a bunch aging it.
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Post by jamesp on Jul 21, 2016 9:37:02 GMT -5
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Post by woodman on Jul 21, 2016 16:30:06 GMT -5
Tough call dating that one. Shape is rather basic. But likely archaic to paleo. you found it so it is not fake, it does look fresh. and western agate can be very stable and not acquire a patina. I would say early archaic to transitional paleo. But that is a long guess. Look around for other artifacts. Most artifacts are found at campsites where other artifacts exist. does the site you found it at look like a place you would like to pitch a tent at ?? Water close by ? Look for more. You may find more and have an assemblage that would help greatly with aging it. We would kill to find a point like that. Yes, base could be snapped off. Hard to say. Agate basin sounds close to me too but I am easterner. The workmanship is so good that I would guess the base snapped off. If so, the base would have helped a bunch aging it. I don't think it was associated with anything I would call a camp site. sidehill matter of fact. It was in spot that had heavy runoff from winter snow melt so may have been washed out of the ground. I was looking for Petrified wood and almost missed it. The is the first point I have found that was agate. In the area where found usually one finds those made from obsidian. The location is close, as a crow flies to, Obsidian Butte here in Oregon. maybe it predates the Obsidian flow there, who knows. Thanks for the information. |
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Post by Erich on Jul 21, 2016 16:47:14 GMT -5
WOW! Killer find. Agate Basin point perhaps? Where would that be? Sorry for the late reply, Agate Basin is a name of a point type. You's looks very similar. Are you sure the base is broken? I thought I could see evidence of knapping on the base. |
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Post by woodman on Jul 21, 2016 20:13:53 GMT -5
Sorry for the late reply, Agate Basin is a name of a point type. You's looks very similar. Are you sure the base is broken? I thought I could see evidence of knapping on the base. I did some looking and found examples of agate basin and found some almost the same color and the method of flaking appears to be very similar. I really believe that it is broken, cry!,. I see no sign of it being worked on the end at all. Tried to get a shot of the end, will have to try again. Thanks for the info. |
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Post by jamesp on Jul 22, 2016 5:24:57 GMT -5
Don't feel bad woodman. I have found beyond museum grade points that were broken. It is part of the game. Would still look for flakes of agate on a flat area near by. Chances are a camp is close. Agate like that is a more durable material than the mass obsidian close by. That high grade point was likely knapped full perimeter. If not knapped at the base then it likely snapped off there. The plows of the east broke many points. River finds are a solution to finding whole points here. |
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Post by jamesp on Jul 22, 2016 5:32:03 GMT -5
Large lakes in Florida lose high and dry shore line where Native man commonly camped at a rate of 10-20 feet per 100 years.
Go back 3000-5000 years ago and whole camps are a quarter mile out in the shallow lake.
Being that the entire area is only sand, probes made of music wire are used to probe the bottom making sound when chert is struck.
Great source of intact projectile points.
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Post by accidentalrockhound on Aug 15, 2016 20:56:51 GMT -5
Nice find! We have found broken points in South Dakota grasslands and 1 large broken spear point and smaller broken points and fine flakes near Northrop Co. Also one complete spear point found near home which is knaped and fluted on one side , all of which look more crude compared to yours, take everyone's advice, and try to locate the site? you may be surprised what you may find!good luck and happy hunting,
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