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Post by jamesp on Jul 25, 2016 11:17:02 GMT -5
Sabre52 ?? It bores into the base of cattail stems at root-to-stem transition totally killing them. Aquatic
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2016 12:51:48 GMT -5
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Post by Sabre52 on Jul 25, 2016 16:33:24 GMT -5
Man oh man James that's definitely a fly larva and those are always tough for me to ID. The pic most resembles a horse fly larva but those feed on snails and aquatic insects. Am not aware they are plant feeders. My best guess and just a guess now, would be that's the larva of one of the larger crane fly species ( Tipulids). They are known feeders on a lot of aquatic plants or plants growing in wet habitats. I have an Essig's Insects but it does not go east of the Rockies ( I used to live in Commiefornia of course). I'm thinking your larva is from one of the Giant Craneflies because their larvae love to eat aquatic monocots but again, my library does not include a good eastern US fly book so it's only a good guess.....Mel
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Post by jamesp on Jul 25, 2016 17:00:36 GMT -5
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Post by Pat on Jul 25, 2016 17:36:48 GMT -5
Looks like an armored tank.
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Post by jamesp on Jul 25, 2016 17:44:53 GMT -5
Man oh man James that's definitely a fly larva and those are always tough for me to ID. The pic most resembles a horse fly larva but those feed on snails and aquatic insects. Am not aware they are plant feeders. My best guess and just a guess now, would be that's the larva of one of the larger crane fly species ( Tipulids). They are known feeders on a lot of aquatic plants or plants growing in wet habitats. I have an Essig's Insects but it does not go east of the Rockies ( I used to live in Commiefornia of course). I'm thinking your larva is from one of the Giant Craneflies because their larvae love to eat aquatic monocots but again, my library does not include a good eastern US fly book so it's only a good guess.....Mel Excellent and thanks Mel. That ID was a big big help. You nailed it. The long larval stage is a big problem. And in this case they are borers and next to impossible to treat with insecticide. As they bore below the water line and seal the hole for an airy underwater cavern. Feeding away in complete cover as a borer does. Pesticide quickly diluted. I hate systemics, tried heavy Orthene applications and no go. Obnoxious poison that stuff. Variegated Singapore cattails started getting them years ago an I was forced to abandon that crop. A great plant. Now they have moved to a medium sized native cattail. I will search for a treatment that fancys them, doubt it exists as this is one leathery larvae. One of the few insects that can be placed on a fire ant mound and survive. By digging rapidly into the mound and shearing the ants off. Guessing they will finally get him but they got a fight on their hands. Would make superb fish bait; would take a piranha to tear him off the hook. Yes, Giant Craneflies abound here. They also get in Peltandra Virginica, an aquatic arum. "The crane fly resembles a mosquito. The crane fly goes through a metamorphosis or changes body types during its lifecycle that lasts approximately one year. From the time the female lays her eggs until they reach adulthood, the fly changes from a larva to a pupa, then to an adult. Each cycle serves a specific purpose for growth and development of the crane fly. Description According to the Carnegie Museum of Natural History, more than 1,500 species of crane flies have been identified in North America. Each type has unique characteristics. However, the adult mosquito-like fly generally has an elongated body up to 3 inches long, a pair of slender wings that spread up to 3 inches wide, and six long, skinny legs. Unlike the mosquito, the crane fly is harmless and does not bite. Eggs and Larvae The female crane fly generally lays her eggs in water, such as lakes or creeks, or in moist soil or on lawns during the spring. She may lay hundreds of eggs at a time, which generally hatch within 6 to 14 days. The first stage after hatching underwater or underground is the larval stage. The larva of the crane fly is shaped like a worm with both ends tapered. It has a tough outer skin covered with tiny hairs. During this larval stage the gray, brown- or cream-colored fly larvae feed off of leaves, roots and debris in the soil or water. Pupae The pupae form after the larvae have eaten for several months and molted, or lost and replaced their skin, four times. During this stage, the crane fly rests between one week and several months while under protective cover. Generally, during the spring, the pupae emerge as adult crane flies. Adult The main goal of the adult crane fly in the spring is mating. During the adult stage, the crane fly does not eat. For the short 10- to 15-day period, the adults mate on plants or in the air near the water. Afterwards, the female deposits her eggs. When mating and egg distribution is complete, female dies. The male only lives up to 15 days as well."
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Post by jamesp on Jul 25, 2016 17:45:45 GMT -5
Looks like an armored tank. We should fry some up Pat. You get first taste...
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Post by Pat on Jul 25, 2016 17:47:20 GMT -5
Around here, we call crane flies GAL NIPPERS. don't ask me why. Never been bitten.
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Post by jamesp on Jul 25, 2016 17:50:23 GMT -5
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Post by jamesp on Jul 25, 2016 17:53:49 GMT -5
Around here, we call crane flies GAL NIPPERS. don't ask me why. Never been bitten. Seen that description on Wiki Pat: Numerous other common names have been applied to the crane fly. Many of the names are more or less regional in the U.S., including mosquito hawk, mosquito eater, gallinipper, and gollywhopper.[19] They are also known as daddy-long-legs around the world,[3] not to be confused with daddy-long-legs that refers to arachnids of the order Opiliones or the family Pholcidae. The larvae of crane flies are known commonly as leatherjackets.[3] Gollywhoppers ?? lol
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Post by Pat on Jul 25, 2016 18:50:52 GMT -5
Looks like an armored tank. We should fry some up Pat. You get first taste... Ah, a little olive oil and garlic...., yum!
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Post by jamesp on Jul 25, 2016 20:49:14 GMT -5
Hard to imagine eating that one Pat.
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Post by spiceman on Jul 25, 2016 22:37:27 GMT -5
Not much on bugs or larva or anything like that but it would look best .... On the bottom of my gym shoe. After the water bug thing, holly cow. It's a gym shoe bug.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Aug 23, 2016 13:38:58 GMT -5
It's not just helpful, it is a requirement!
Okay, so this thread is almost a month old. I was away, then James was away. To refresh your memory:
Larvae I.D. please
Had looked it up, here's what I found:
It is a horsefly larvae in the family Tabanidae.
Link to bug guide
Known to transmit blood-borne diseases, including equine infectious anaemia virus and anthrax.
Both WIKI and Bug Guide invaluable! Great resources.
Horse flies larger than deer flies. 7 to 10 mm while horse flies are from 10 to 25 mm.
It bores into the base of cattail stems at root-to-stem transition totally killing them. Aquatic Man oh man James that's definitely a fly larva and those are always tough for me to ID. The pic most resembles a horse fly larva but those feed on snails and aquatic insects. Am not aware they are plant feeders.
jamesp andf Mel Sabre52 you are both right! They do eat snails and aquatic insects, but bore into the cattail stems to hide out. Damaging (or, "totally killing them") is incidental. They don't eat them.
More info as to species found in GA: bugguide.net/node/view/82093
My best guess, could be either one of these, both found in GA:
Tabanus imitans Google Images
tabanus fuscopunctatus Google images
Let me know if you've seen or been et by either of these!
My work here is done, lol...
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Post by jamesp on Aug 23, 2016 14:24:47 GMT -5
Well well, Jean. Quite an overview of our loving horseflies that have a remarkable talent of attaching themselves to the center of your back and drilling a hole in you. Ever had to lay down on your back to ward those instruments of pain off ? Thanks for the info. Thankfully they are not a real problem here. Kept trying to get a photo of a big fat black one down in Florida but he was too shy. Pushing 1.2 1.3 inches. Never knew they cut and them lick. Always wondered what their proboscis looked like, come to find it is a cutting action. rockpickerforever, I experimented with varios insecticides on some of these larvae that I collected by hand. They are resilient to a great extreme. You have to paint it on them to kill them. Horse hide is thick, pretty sure they can draw from a horse, telling. by the way, it took a long time for fire ants to submit this thing. Their sting is very effective, not so fast on this critter.
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Post by Mark K on Aug 23, 2016 14:32:26 GMT -5
JEAN FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!
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Post by jamesp on Aug 23, 2016 14:50:20 GMT -5
GOT MY VOTE !!!!
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Post by Sabre52 on Aug 23, 2016 15:13:34 GMT -5
Yeah, horsefly was my first guess too, but after having gone through a whole bunch of pics of Tipulid ( leatherjacket) stages and seeing how much diversity there is ( even in different larval stages) I was tending to lean toward Tipulidae because, without a closeup of the feeding end extended and under my dissecting scope, I came to the conclusion that there were pretty much dead ringers picturewise in both groups. Many tipulids have that same exact morphology, including the rings and bumps, when in the leatherjacket stage. Seems to come down to the fine details of mouth parts and to me, fly larvae are always a tough call....Mel
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Post by rockpickerforever on Aug 23, 2016 16:28:33 GMT -5
Uh, no thank you. Actually, a RESOUNDING no thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 18:32:39 GMT -5
Uh, no thank you. Actually, a RESOUNDING no thank you. Why do you wanna make Jean age faster than nature intended? Let her continue on the path of fine wine, please. Jean, good call. No presidency!
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