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Post by 1dave on Nov 29, 2016 6:28:35 GMT -5
Typical clay depth of north Georgia Not very many tumbles from that layer. What size barrel is required for a 6 pound load - 60% fill? Best length and diameter?
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Post by txrockhunter on Nov 29, 2016 9:17:42 GMT -5
Not sure why I didn't think about it earlier, but we need to see if Billy toiv0 can shed some light on the subject. He blends soils for golf courses, baseball diamonds, etc. Billy toiv0, not sure if this is in your wheelhouse, but you've probably got the best background for this topic! Maybe you could point us in a better direction? Thanks, Jeremy
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Post by jamesp on Nov 29, 2016 10:59:19 GMT -5
Not sure why I didn't think about it earlier, but we need to see if Billy toiv0 can shed some light on the subject. He blends soils for golf courses, baseball diamonds, etc. Billy toiv0, not sure if this is in your wheelhouse, but you've probably got the best background for this topic! Maybe you could point us in a better direction? Thanks, Jeremy Billy inquired about a pit to extract Georgia red clay. The pit up the road was a shale pit go figure. The tall hills along the Chattahoochee River running thru Atlanta have been shaved flat as there were some of the finest brick clay. For miles. They shared the hills and industry set all the buildings down on top of the final grade. I guess I could make an offer to dig and ship MFRB quantity. Bag, box and ship. I will do that if anyone is interested. Not so much to make money but to cover my time and shipping. I would guess an MFRB would hold 30 pounds. How about $30 total, $13 for shipping and $17 for the clay. I may not be timely, but would eventually get them shipped. (got unpredictable work schedule) I would like to see if others have success with it.
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Post by jamesp on Nov 29, 2016 11:04:13 GMT -5
Typical clay depth of north Georgia Not very many tumbles from that layer. What size barrel is required for a 6 pound load - 60% fill? Best length and diameter?Here is a flickr link of the 6 pound barrels. I stuffed the cap end side with 1/2 inch PVC sheet to protect wear. Not required and hard to find the sheet. Butcher block could be substituted. I liked the(gray) Carlon electrical conduit couplings, shorter and cheap. www.flickr.com/photos/67205364@N06/sets/72157672945278964
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Post by toiv0 on Nov 29, 2016 16:38:36 GMT -5
I can go into a little about silt and clay for our use. We have no differation between clays only clay content. A good ratio for baseball diamonds is 1 to 1 silt to clay. Most soils people call clay is actually a high silt content. For instance in WI where I work the silt to clay ratio runs 2 or 3 silt to one clay. I did a job in OK where the silt to clay (red) was 1 silt to 2 clay. In Willis TX we went from a 1 to 1 to a 2 to 1 in just 30 ft in the pit. Why does this matter? Well you have to have the silt so it won't get too sticky and the clay so the water runs off the Baseball diamond. Depending on the professional level of play the silt and clay to sand ratio raises because it takes better management for the higher silt and clay to lower. City parks and high school vs professional and colleges. Where this gets kind of tricky is the properties. Silt is .05 mm to .002 mm Clay is .002 minus If you take silt that is .0021 and a clay that is .199 (i think i got that right) it will perform like 100 % clay even though it is has silt in it. Now for another wrench to throw in. Sand content in the clay. Most areas have a different sand to silt and clay ratio. In Oklahoma depending on the depth profile we can go 60 percent sand to 10 percent sand. 90 percent silt and clay at a 1 to 1 ratio is almost impossible to work. So if your tumbling and you have a 60 percent sand and 40 percent silt and clay you are going to some abraision from that grit. How much I don't know, would depend on if the sand is calcarious or silica. So all clays as jamesp says are not created equal. Most clay bricks are only 25 percent silt and clay the rest is sand. Adobe and cob is approx. the same ratio. I will think a little more about this but we deal with clay all over the usa and when I show up to process it the chances are it going to rain! Then the fight begins.
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Post by txrockhunter on Nov 29, 2016 18:31:32 GMT -5
Thanks for getting involved in the discussion, Mr. Billy toiv0! Looking forward to the development of this discussion!
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Post by toiv0 on Nov 29, 2016 19:17:42 GMT -5
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Post by jamesp on Nov 29, 2016 19:20:53 GMT -5
Not fair, Billy gets to travel all over and play with clay. toiv0, I wish I could send you the clay that works best for tumbling to be analyzed. It comes from the top of a hill, I am curious if that would mean that it had no silt. Very pasty Billy, as if high percentage clay. But sand percentage could be way higher than imagined.
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Post by toiv0 on Nov 29, 2016 21:31:53 GMT -5
i will send you a pm with my address. see if our lab will test it. small flat rate box will be enough.
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Post by jamesp on Nov 29, 2016 21:47:38 GMT -5
i will send you a pm with my address. see if our lab will test it. small flat rate box will be enough. Thanks Billy. I will post results on RTH.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 22:38:12 GMT -5
i will send you a pm with my address. see if our lab will test it. small flat rate box will be enough. What a oops-ing cool job! Do you get good seats?
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Post by toiv0 on Nov 30, 2016 7:05:57 GMT -5
i will send you a pm with my address. see if our lab will test it. small flat rate box will be enough. What a oops-ing cool job! Do you get good seats? The good seats are reserved for the hierarchy, the worker bee is relagated to work at the sand or clay source. But for a rock hound being in a gravel pit is a better day than rubbing elbows with the elite. Some pits have pretty cool stuff, have found mammoth teeth, in Denison tx I loaded up on Ammonites at the end of the day piled up under the scalping screen. We had a job near Grand Marais and found some Lakers, Mary Ellen Jasper, Unakite and got a good contact for Thompsonite.
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Post by jamesp on Nov 30, 2016 7:55:59 GMT -5
Yea, field work beats the heck out of hanging around with staff(infection). Envy your work Billy.
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Post by toiv0 on Nov 30, 2016 8:32:04 GMT -5
Yea, field work beats the heck out of hanging around with staff(infection). Envy your work Billy. I have had a couple of business of my own greenhouse, tree nursery, and a small shop. Nothing beats working for yourself if you can swing it. The people I work for now are super and when working on the road (I very rarely work near headquarters in central WI) for them its as close to working for yourself without any of the liability. I am blessed. The draw back is not enough home time, though I am only working 1000 hrs a year which translates to about 4 mo.
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Post by jamesp on Nov 30, 2016 8:43:35 GMT -5
Yea, field work beats the heck out of hanging around with staff(infection). Envy your work Billy. I have had a couple of business of my own greenhouse, tree nursery, and a small shop. Nothing beats working for yourself if you can swing it. The people I work for now are super and when working on the road (I very rarely work near headquarters in central WI) for them its as close to working for yourself without any of the liability. I am blessed. The draw back is not enough home time, though I am only working 1000 hrs a year which translates to about 4 mo. You are blessed. Working for a great company beats self employment in many cases. Here is the clay extraction site I sent you. Maybe 10 years ago they dug clay here for a large road project. About 3 miles up the road from my house. Clay must have been just right for road underlayment.
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Post by tims on Dec 16, 2016 8:24:32 GMT -5
All this clay talk makes me wonder about local shale. There are massive shale beds around Osage, about 15 miles away. Bentonite plant near there. Slickest mud i've ever slopped through. UW did a clay analysis for the local oil barons if you like charts and core samples and more jargon than you can shake a muddy stick at: Core evaluation and clay analysis of the Newcastle SandstoneI assume the low permeability clay rich sands would be best for making tumbling mud? Would certainly send jamesp or any other mad scientist a sample to play with when it thaws out a bit.
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Post by 1dave on Dec 16, 2016 10:09:36 GMT -5
EORI Newcastle Clay Analysis Project Core evaluation and clay analysis of the Newcastle Sandstone, Osage Wyoming. Prepared for Osage Partners, LLC By EORI
Jones, Chopping, and Yin Best core report I've ever seen. Thanks for sharing! "Chopping" - excellent name for a mass murderer . . .
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Post by jamesp on Dec 17, 2016 21:38:27 GMT -5
All this clay talk makes me wonder about local shale. There are massive shale beds around Osage, about 15 miles away. Bentonite plant near there. Slickest mud i've ever slopped through. UW did a clay analysis for the local oil barons if you like charts and core samples and more jargon than you can shake a muddy stick at: Core evaluation and clay analysis of the Newcastle SandstoneI assume the low permeability clay rich sands would be best for making tumbling mud? Would certainly send jamesp or any other mad scientist a sample to play with when it thaws out a bit. Give it a go in your new rotary Tim.
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Post by tims on Dec 20, 2016 18:12:34 GMT -5
We're pretty socked in with snow so it probably won't dry out enough to try any until spring, but yeah i'll give it a go. I'm using generic mexican kitty litter now which is pretty cheap, but free is even cheaper if it works.
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Post by jamesp on Dec 20, 2016 22:41:58 GMT -5
We're pretty socked in with snow so it probably won't dry out enough to try any until spring, but yeah i'll give it a go. I'm using generic mexican kitty litter now which is pretty cheap, but free is even cheaper if it works. The clay that works for me is like 20 feet deep and covers half the state of Georgia. That's cheap ! Cost may not be a criteria. Certainly not in my case. Only way to know if other clays/kitty litters/shales will work is to give it a go. Safer to stay away from anything with a high silica content. Looking forward to your attempt when you thaw.
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